Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 00:26:23 -0400
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Cam #'s
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Having either the crank or cam bearing tunnels align bored can also change the gear size requirement.
Dennis
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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 6:44 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Cam #'s
Since 'forever' cams in VW oppossed four cylinder engines ..
air-cooled and waterboxer have had a number stamped on them..
such as +1 , +2 etc..
goes from minus something to positive.
this relates to the size of the gear ..
or how much it engages with the gear on the cranshaft that drives it.
Pretty sure I saw in Bentley where they say , with crank and cam laying in the left side of the case ( I always 'build' in the left case half since it has the distributor.
( I put the distributor in first btw ..
and never remove it ....you don't want the shaft that drives it or two shims on it to get out of place..they can jam on the crank gear ..BTDT ...about 40 years ago on an air-cooled ) ...
anyway ..Bentley shows testing for how much the gears engage ..
if it's too tight ...turning the crank counterclockwise will cause the cam gear to lift up ..showing it's binding or engaging too tightly.
if it's loose ..you'll be able to feel a little backlash.
I believe the goal is zero backlash .
( and aside note ..you oughta see how Subaru and toyota deal with this ..they use a split two-part gear with spring tension between them ,a split gear, like on the cam......this keeps gear mesh just right no matter what, no slop or backlash ..no binding ..very neat )
I rebuilt a 2.1 a while back. It had a tired cam in it. The old cam was a -1 ( minus 1 ) which is what I put back in ..it was the same case of course.
That checked properly during assembly.
if starting with a different case ...
what I would do anyway ...I'd order a plus 1 and see how it fits.
'most' of the cams I've seen were a plus 1.
the 'pitch' of a gear, I believe ....is related to the angle of the gear teeth. ..
Similar to the pitch of a propeller.
This number is about how properly the two gears mesh.
Scott
On 05/17/2016 10:42 AM, TJ Hemrick wrote:
> I'm fairly certain those are the gear pitch numbers. They should match
> the gear pitch on the crank gear for the proper mesh.
>
> TJ
> On May 17, 2016 12:00 AM, "Automatic digest processor" <
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>> There are 2 messages totalling 180 lines in this issue.
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>> Topics of the day:
>>
>> 1. Camshaft question
>> 2. Friday Question...Ever been to The Netherlands?
>>
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>> -
>>
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:07:45 -0400
>> From: Frank Condelli <RAlanen@AOL.COM>
>> Subject: Camshaft question
>>
>> I am rebuilding a 2.1 engine from a 1987 Van, and the cam is
>> = bad, it needs replacing. In the ETKA there are several choices
>> starting =
>> with: 025 109 015B and ending with 025 109 035B. The first listing
>> has = a =E2=80=9CRemark=E2=80=9D of (-3) and the last listing has a =
>> =E2=80=9CRemark=E2=80=9D of (+7). So it goes -3, -2, -1, +/-0, +1,
>> +2, =
>> +3, +4, +5, +6, +7 What does this number mean ? Then the cam that
>> +came =
>> out of this engine has a part # on it that does not relate to any of =
>> those numbers: 025 109 101B Anyone know why this is ? Then if I go =
>> to VW Classic Parts there are plenty of cams listed there, most of
>> them = claim they are for the T3, see the link below. Some of the
>> part numbers = correspond to what=E2=80=99s in the ETKA, but some
>> don=E2=80=99t, but = they all claim they are for the T3 and they also
>> have these + and - = "Remarks=E2=80=9D attached to them. How am I
>> supposed to order a cam ? = It seems very confusing ! Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> =
>> <
>> http://b2b.volkswagen-classic-parts.de/en/ersatzteile/bus-transporter
>> /tra= nsporter-t3/motor/nockenwelle-ventile.html>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, =20
>>
>> Frank Condelli
>> Almonte, Ontario, Canada
>> '87 VW Westy, '00 Kawasaki 250 Sherpa, "98 Ducati 750 Monster &
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 20:20:25 -0500
>> From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
>> Subject: Re: Friday Question...Ever been to The Netherlands?
>>
>> Ehm..., The Netherlands is an entire country and not just a city. =
>> Amsterdam is just one city inside the Netherlands.
>>
>> I've been to the Netherlands (Holland).
>>
>> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
>> www.kegkits.com
>> www.stir-plate.com
>> www.towercooler.com
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>> www.raspberryproject.com
>> http://goo.gl/niRzVw
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
>> Behalf = Of Ned Savoie
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 4:55 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Friday Question...Ever been to The Netherlands?
>>
>> I've been there many times, it's a wonderful city. You can get an all
>> = day pass for the canal bus and use that to get around the city
>> (there = are also water taxis). Basically these boats go up and down
>> the canals = to marked stops, and it's a great way to see the city.
>> The Nieuwmarkt = area always has lots of people and lots of good
>> restaurants. Great Thai = one there. Check out the streetview:
>> https://www.google.com/maps/@52.3727094,4.8999444,3a,75y,69.28h,92.31
>> t/da=
>> ta=3D!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVJ_tmZUk9aQke4qA_QjAAQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
>>
>> There's a park outside of the Van Gogh Museum which is a wonderful
>> place = for a picnic.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>> Ned
>>
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>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:05 AM, T Collins <tonycollin@gmail.com> =
>> wrote:
>>
>>> =E2=80=8BI was aware of their world wide taste for food. Thanks for
>>> =
>> the=20
>>> suggestions.
>>>
>>> Has anyone had the raw haring?=E2=80=8B My guess is that it can be =
>> like ceviche.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com>
>>> =
>> wrote:
>>>> I used to work that at one time. Any restaurant in Amsterdam that
>>>> is = open is great, but the real jewels are out in the small
>>>> towns.=20 Zandvoort, the beach town, has lots of them. Wilma en
>>>> Albert Steak=20 House in Haarlem
>>> served
>>>> some of the most memorable meals of my entire life. Both places
>>>> are=20 an
>>> easy
>>>> drive out and back to town. In any good restaurant in The=20
>>>> Netherlands,
>>> you
>>>> need to get there by seven pm and wait at the bar to get a
>>>> table.=20 Dining starts at eight, and the table is yours for the
>>>> night. If you = are dining
>>> in
>>>> Amsterdam avoid Central Station at night. I don't remember any
>>>> good = restaurants down there anyway.
>>>>
>>>> One decision is what kind of food. they have every nationality,=20
>>>> including a few native "dutch" restaurants that serve small wild=20
>>>> game as a traditional food. But the French and Chinese
>>>> restaurants=20 are outstanding, and in Amsterdam you will find
>>>> excellent Japanese =
>> and even Mexican.
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 8:26 AM T Collins <tonycollin@gmail.com> =
>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Volks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Work has me traveling next week to The Hague Netherlands and very
>>> briefly
>>>>> to Amsterdam.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have about 8 hours in Amsterdam one day.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have planned to see works by Rembrandt at the Rijksmuseum,
>>>>> catch=20 lunch(taste beer) and see the Anne Frank museum in the afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of my trip I only have an evening in Amsterdam and=20
>>>>> planned to see the Van Gogh Museum since they are open until 10pm
>>>>> =
>> next Friday.
>>>>> Anyone have suggestion of things I must see? Places for a good,
>>> reasonable
>>>>> bite or drink?
>>>>>
>>>>> All suggestions, tips or things to look out for are welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> T.
>>>>>
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