Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 17:32:23 -0700
Reply-To: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Border Crossing USA to Canada
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Dear New England
Think about all the tv shows and movies and books set in Vermont - the last
miscreint was Bill Wilson and even he straitened up or was it dr bob from
Vermont - either way Vermont address is most likely only to raise the
hackles of the listeners of Small Dog computer store live radio call in
show about Mac usage - hardly a hot bed of subversion - unless you consider
switching to mac subversive
Regards
On Monday, 23 May 2016, Dennis Jowell <dennisjowell@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the last week we have cross the border 6 times and never been question
> about anything this involved. From Vermont back and forth from Ontario.
> Just where do we live and where are we going.
> That's it. We have our passports and passport card from Vermont .
>
> Interesting comments from the list.
> 88 GL Westy
>
>
> Dennis Jowell
> Scotch Hollow Farm
> Newbury, Vermont
>
>
> > On May 23, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Stephen Engel <sengel543@YAHOO.COM
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > So, I'm self-employed, own my home outright, and don't go to school. How
> do I prove that I just want to return home?
> >
> > On Monday, May 23, 2016 12:04 PM, Roger Whittaker <
> rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > dear border letter
> >
> > yes a letter from employer waiting for your return -
> > lease, mortgage or rental documents - or school admission letters
> > demonstrate your intention to return to the country of your origin -
> > one more detail -
> > the results of 9 11 and other similar events was not a change in law or
> > policy - the actual rules of border crossing have not "changed" since -
> > well since around wwii - what has changed is the enforcement procedures -
> > stuff that had fallen into the general who cares bucket is now at top of
> > list -
> > if anything it has become easier to cross border with advancement of
> > technology as many questions are now answered with technology but the
> > fundamentals stay the same -
> > who are you - where are you going - anything that we normally do not
> allow
> > our citizens to have on your person - whats the purpose of your trip -
> what
> > routes are you planning to travel - any piles of cash with you - do you
> > have sufficient resources at hand to mitigate unforeseen circumstances -
> > when will you be planning to leave - and anything you would like to
> declare
> > -
> >
> > one afternoon i was at a border crossing to welcome my inlaws into
> canada -
> > they had a trailer load of tuff for us so they had some paperwork to deal
> > with - while we waited for them to arrive we sat on the sidelines cause
> you
> > are not allowed to even have conversation in that area - no touching etc
> --
> > two young girls came in and behind them two guys one had loads of tats on
> > his bare arms - thy all stood at the cafe style forms table in the centre
> > of the room and several time a CBS agent would stop and ask them a
> > question - if i recall rightly a form was being filled out by one - she
> may
> > have just been playing with it - anyway guy with tats was requested to
> > attend the counter - the girls were asked to sit in chairs near us -
> > then Tats was asked to go to a little room to one side for "payment " of
> > some sort of fee as soon as he entered that room a flank of CSB literally
> > materialized out of the floor -- lining the path back to the counter -
> the
> > door opened and he stepped out - his hands were now zipped tied behind
> him
> > and he was marched to the other side of the hall into another walled off
> > area - the girls stood up and opened mouths to protest then sat back
> down
> > mouth s still agape - the flank vanished in the same silent way it
> > materialized --
> > I am unsure how i learned this but it would seem they picked him up
> > somewhere along the highway - he was a fugitive and etc etc etc - the
> > officers then told the girls they were free to continue their journey -
> > welcome back to canada etc -- it would be my guess they were soon hailed
> by
> > a friendly customer service rep of her majesty known locally as RCMP --
> > Immediately everyone went back to normal duties -- my point is - you have
> > no idea what sort of day your agent is having when you arrive at the
> gates
> > for entry - yesterday they may have shot three people - 1/2 hour ago they
> > may have caught the most wanted ever - or the least wanted -
> > a border agent does not operate under the same laws and procedures as
> > regular police - they have a wide latitude of discretion and they do not
> > have to tell you any reason they are questioning you or why they are
> > detaining you - the fact you want to enter the country is sufficient
> reason
> > to detain if they decide that is the reason -
> >
> > regards
>
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roger whittaker 604.414.6266
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