Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 20:28:04 -0400
Reply-To: Dennis Jowell <dennisjowell@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Jowell <dennisjowell@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Border Crossing USA to Canada
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In the last week we have cross the border 6 times and never been question about anything this involved. From Vermont back and forth from Ontario.
Just where do we live and where are we going.
That's it. We have our passports and passport card from Vermont .
Interesting comments from the list.
88 GL Westy
Dennis Jowell
Scotch Hollow Farm
Newbury, Vermont
> On May 23, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Stephen Engel <sengel543@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
> So, I'm self-employed, own my home outright, and don't go to school. How do I prove that I just want to return home?
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 12:04 PM, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
>
> dear border letter
>
> yes a letter from employer waiting for your return -
> lease, mortgage or rental documents - or school admission letters
> demonstrate your intention to return to the country of your origin -
> one more detail -
> the results of 9 11 and other similar events was not a change in law or
> policy - the actual rules of border crossing have not "changed" since -
> well since around wwii - what has changed is the enforcement procedures -
> stuff that had fallen into the general who cares bucket is now at top of
> list -
> if anything it has become easier to cross border with advancement of
> technology as many questions are now answered with technology but the
> fundamentals stay the same -
> who are you - where are you going - anything that we normally do not allow
> our citizens to have on your person - whats the purpose of your trip - what
> routes are you planning to travel - any piles of cash with you - do you
> have sufficient resources at hand to mitigate unforeseen circumstances -
> when will you be planning to leave - and anything you would like to declare
> -
>
> one afternoon i was at a border crossing to welcome my inlaws into canada -
> they had a trailer load of tuff for us so they had some paperwork to deal
> with - while we waited for them to arrive we sat on the sidelines cause you
> are not allowed to even have conversation in that area - no touching etc --
> two young girls came in and behind them two guys one had loads of tats on
> his bare arms - thy all stood at the cafe style forms table in the centre
> of the room and several time a CBS agent would stop and ask them a
> question - if i recall rightly a form was being filled out by one - she may
> have just been playing with it - anyway guy with tats was requested to
> attend the counter - the girls were asked to sit in chairs near us -
> then Tats was asked to go to a little room to one side for "payment " of
> some sort of fee as soon as he entered that room a flank of CSB literally
> materialized out of the floor -- lining the path back to the counter - the
> door opened and he stepped out - his hands were now zipped tied behind him
> and he was marched to the other side of the hall into another walled off
> area - the girls stood up and opened mouths to protest then sat back down
> mouth s still agape - the flank vanished in the same silent way it
> materialized --
> I am unsure how i learned this but it would seem they picked him up
> somewhere along the highway - he was a fugitive and etc etc etc - the
> officers then told the girls they were free to continue their journey -
> welcome back to canada etc -- it would be my guess they were soon hailed by
> a friendly customer service rep of her majesty known locally as RCMP --
> Immediately everyone went back to normal duties -- my point is - you have
> no idea what sort of day your agent is having when you arrive at the gates
> for entry - yesterday they may have shot three people - 1/2 hour ago they
> may have caught the most wanted ever - or the least wanted -
> a border agent does not operate under the same laws and procedures as
> regular police - they have a wide latitude of discretion and they do not
> have to tell you any reason they are questioning you or why they are
> detaining you - the fact you want to enter the country is sufficient reason
> to detain if they decide that is the reason -
>
> regards
