Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:20:07 -0700
Reply-To: "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM>
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From: "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: HELP: Engine stopped
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And now it starts. Mmmmmmmm...
On Jul 7, 2016 3:12 PM, "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@gmail.com> wrote:
> Coil replaced, still not starting.
>
> Mmm. Back home with a better multimeter. More investigation needed.
> On Jul 7, 2016 1:47 PM, "Richard Koller" <brvkoller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This happened to me and it was the coil. I noticed the coil was extremely
> hot to the touch in my case.
> Good luck.
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Just reconfirmed this now. Ignition switch was on, and wasn't able to
>> start
>> it. Waiting a few minutes now with ignition switch off.
>> On Jul 7, 2016 12:34 PM, "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Yep, pointing more and more towards the coil.
>> >
>> > Also seems like keeping the ignition on makes it not start after 5m. But
>> > with ignition off it starts after 5min.
>> > On Jul 7, 2016 12:28 PM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Phillippe:
>> >>
>> >> Jim is correct - it’s one or the other. If you are seeing no power on
>> #4
>> >> to the distributor, I would suspect an over-heating/failing coil. If
>> you
>> >> are simply seeing no pulse … then the Hall sensor/sender would be
>> suspect.
>> >> I’ve had a coil fail with similar behaviour to what you are
>> experiencing -
>> >> when it became too hot. Thus far my hall sensor is fine - though I’ve
>> >> been told they fail more frequently than coils.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On 07-Jul-2016, at 16:11, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Definitely have power to terminal 15.
>> >> >
>> >> > Seems like waiting 5-10m allows me to restart and drive a few
>> minutes,
>> >> then
>> >> > engine dies again.
>> >> >
>> >> > Interesting note: when engine is about to die, pressing accelerator
>> does
>> >> > nothing until floored, and then I hear the engine rev up only then.
>> And
>> >> at
>> >> > the same time engine rpm needle on dashboard is at zero and doesn't
>> >> move.
>> >> > Then engine dies.
>> >> >
>> >> > Going to try to make it home 2min at a time.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have the wrong multimeter (not precise enough).
>> >> >
>> >> > Any extra thoughts based on the above notes appreciated!
>> >> > On Jul 7, 2016 12:02 PM, "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Bad Hall sensor or bad coil. Rare coil failure but I have had several
>> >> with
>> >> > a break in the windings that will expand when hot and stop the car.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jim
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:55 PM Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Phillip:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Primary (#1 & #15): 0.5Ω - 0.8Ω
>> >> >> Secondary (#1 & #4): 2.5kΩ - 3.5kΩ or 7kΩ to 8kΩ (upper bound may
>> be a
>> >> >> little higher)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If your coil is outside theses ranges, then it may be time to get
>> the
>> >> >> spare out from under the bench.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Check to be certain you still have power to #15 when you are not
>> >> getting
>> >> >> spark.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:42, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNet.nb.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ooops …. those are kila-ohms on the secondary (HT) circuit … put
>> your
>> >> >> meter into the right rage.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:40, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNet.nb.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Going by memory here:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Primary circuit:
>> >> >>>> #15 is live (low voltage side)
>> >> >>>> #1 is switched ground (tach signal)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> You should have 0.5 - 0.8 (or 0.9) ohms across here
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The HT circuit is between 1 and wire to distributer (#4?): You
>> >> should
>> >> >> measure either ~2.5 - 3.5 Ohms or ~7 - 8ohms, depending on the
>> >> generation
>> >> >> of your coil … one is green the other grey … I cannot remember
>> which is
>> >> >> which.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Make certain you disconnected the coil completely before measuring
>> >> >> resistance!
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:17, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Engine just died while idling in a parking lot. Zero resistance
>> >> > between
>> >> >>>>> terminals 1 and 15
>> >> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016 11:03 AM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Centre ignition wire …. you mean from the coil to the
>> distributor?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Start working backwards … is the coil failing? When there is no
>> >> >> spark …
>> >> >>>>>> do you have power into the coil?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 14:58, Tyler Hardison <tyler@SERAPH-NET.NET
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Nope, saw that message afterwards. I'll bow out. I've never
>> seen
>> >> >> that.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Fuzzy :philippe <
>> >> >> fuzzmeister@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> There seems to be a lack of spark from the center ignition
>> wire.
>> >> >> Does
>> >> >>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>> connect with the issue you had?
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2016 10:55 AM, "Tyler Hardison" <
>> tyler@seraph-net.net>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Phillippe,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> I too had this issue.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> The problem is likely vapor lock caused by clogged fuel
>> filter
>> >> or
>> >> >>>>>>>>> possibly the pressure regulator.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Look under the van on the passenger side for the fuel
>> filter(s).
>> >> >> If you
>> >> >>>>>>>>> have two, you can eliminate the front square filter.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> --t
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Fuzzy :philippe <
>> >> >>>>>> fuzzmeister@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I don't post here often but I'm hoping you guys can help.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I have an '87 2.1L Vanagon GL
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I drive it, and suddenly the engine stops and won't restart
>> for
>> >> >> about
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 10min. Then it starts and runs for a few minutes and dies
>> >> again.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? I'm on the road with basic tools and multimeter,
>> but
>> >> I
>> >> >>>>>> haven't
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> done this sort of diagnostic before. I could use a short
>> talk
>> >> on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> with anyone who can help. I also have the servicing manual
>> but
>> >> >> these
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> books
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> assume basic knowledge of such engines, which I don't.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> A quick text to 415-505-0786 would be awesome!
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Philippe
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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