Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:12:16 -0700
Reply-To: "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM>
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From: "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: HELP: Engine stopped
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Coil replaced, still not starting.
Mmm. Back home with a better multimeter. More investigation needed.
On Jul 7, 2016 1:47 PM, "Richard Koller" <brvkoller@gmail.com> wrote:
This happened to me and it was the coil. I noticed the coil was extremely
hot to the touch in my case.
Good luck.
Rick
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Just reconfirmed this now. Ignition switch was on, and wasn't able to start
> it. Waiting a few minutes now with ignition switch off.
> On Jul 7, 2016 12:34 PM, "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yep, pointing more and more towards the coil.
> >
> > Also seems like keeping the ignition on makes it not start after 5m. But
> > with ignition off it starts after 5min.
> > On Jul 7, 2016 12:28 PM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Phillippe:
> >>
> >> Jim is correct - it’s one or the other. If you are seeing no power on
> #4
> >> to the distributor, I would suspect an over-heating/failing coil. If
> you
> >> are simply seeing no pulse … then the Hall sensor/sender would be
> suspect.
> >> I’ve had a coil fail with similar behaviour to what you are
> experiencing -
> >> when it became too hot. Thus far my hall sensor is fine - though I’ve
> >> been told they fail more frequently than coils.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On 07-Jul-2016, at 16:11, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Definitely have power to terminal 15.
> >> >
> >> > Seems like waiting 5-10m allows me to restart and drive a few minutes,
> >> then
> >> > engine dies again.
> >> >
> >> > Interesting note: when engine is about to die, pressing accelerator
> does
> >> > nothing until floored, and then I hear the engine rev up only then.
> And
> >> at
> >> > the same time engine rpm needle on dashboard is at zero and doesn't
> >> move.
> >> > Then engine dies.
> >> >
> >> > Going to try to make it home 2min at a time.
> >> >
> >> > I have the wrong multimeter (not precise enough).
> >> >
> >> > Any extra thoughts based on the above notes appreciated!
> >> > On Jul 7, 2016 12:02 PM, "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Bad Hall sensor or bad coil. Rare coil failure but I have had several
> >> with
> >> > a break in the windings that will expand when hot and stop the car.
> >> >
> >> > Jim
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:55 PM Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Phillip:
> >> >>
> >> >> Primary (#1 & #15): 0.5Ω - 0.8Ω
> >> >> Secondary (#1 & #4): 2.5kΩ - 3.5kΩ or 7kΩ to 8kΩ (upper bound may
> be a
> >> >> little higher)
> >> >>
> >> >> If your coil is outside theses ranges, then it may be time to get the
> >> >> spare out from under the bench.
> >> >>
> >> >> Check to be certain you still have power to #15 when you are not
> >> getting
> >> >> spark.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:42, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNet.nb.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ooops …. those are kila-ohms on the secondary (HT) circuit … put
> your
> >> >> meter into the right rage.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:40, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNet.nb.ca>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Going by memory here:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Primary circuit:
> >> >>>> #15 is live (low voltage side)
> >> >>>> #1 is switched ground (tach signal)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You should have 0.5 - 0.8 (or 0.9) ohms across here
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The HT circuit is between 1 and wire to distributer (#4?): You
> >> should
> >> >> measure either ~2.5 - 3.5 Ohms or ~7 - 8ohms, depending on the
> >> generation
> >> >> of your coil … one is green the other grey … I cannot remember which
> is
> >> >> which.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Make certain you disconnected the coil completely before measuring
> >> >> resistance!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:17, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Engine just died while idling in a parking lot. Zero resistance
> >> > between
> >> >>>>> terminals 1 and 15
> >> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016 11:03 AM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Centre ignition wire …. you mean from the coil to the
> distributor?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Start working backwards … is the coil failing? When there is no
> >> >> spark …
> >> >>>>>> do you have power into the coil?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 14:58, Tyler Hardison <tyler@SERAPH-NET.NET>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Nope, saw that message afterwards. I'll bow out. I've never seen
> >> >> that.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Fuzzy :philippe <
> >> >> fuzzmeister@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> There seems to be a lack of spark from the center ignition
> wire.
> >> >> Does
> >> >>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>> connect with the issue you had?
> >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2016 10:55 AM, "Tyler Hardison" <
> tyler@seraph-net.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Phillippe,
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I too had this issue.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> The problem is likely vapor lock caused by clogged fuel filter
> >> or
> >> >>>>>>>>> possibly the pressure regulator.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Look under the van on the passenger side for the fuel
> filter(s).
> >> >> If you
> >> >>>>>>>>> have two, you can eliminate the front square filter.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> --t
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Fuzzy :philippe <
> >> >>>>>> fuzzmeister@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I don't post here often but I'm hoping you guys can help.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I have an '87 2.1L Vanagon GL
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I drive it, and suddenly the engine stops and won't restart
> for
> >> >> about
> >> >>>>>>>>>> 10min. Then it starts and runs for a few minutes and dies
> >> again.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? I'm on the road with basic tools and multimeter,
> but
> >> I
> >> >>>>>> haven't
> >> >>>>>>>>>> done this sort of diagnostic before. I could use a short talk
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone
> >> >>>>>>>>>> with anyone who can help. I also have the servicing manual
> but
> >> >> these
> >> >>>>>>>>>> books
> >> >>>>>>>>>> assume basic knowledge of such engines, which I don't.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> A quick text to 415-505-0786 would be awesome!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Philippe
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
>
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