Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:41:38 -0700
Reply-To: Mark Drillock <modrillock@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Mark Drillock <modrillock@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: HELP: Engine stopped
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It is important to go all the way to the battery if you want to be sure to
bypass as many of the common failure points in the Vanagon power wiring
paths as the tool is meant to bypass. The path segment between the starter
and the alternator is the most failure prone in my experience. List member
Jay Brown sells an upgraded replacement for this section and I have
installed several of them. It is well made and worth doing, especially if
you have a second battery installed.
Since Philippe is getting the power relay clicking on with the key we can
tell his ignition switch is working and so his problem would likely be in
the other path, the red one, assuming a wiring cause.
Mark
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Larry Alofs <lalofs@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 7:56 AM, Larry Alofs <lalofs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Sorry about the delay. I went to bed last nite.
> > Try this link:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=349429&highlight=crazyvwvanman
> >
> > Let me know if it doesn't work. Or search on the vanagon forum on the
> > Samba for "crazyvwvanman" and then look for his post called "dead van
> > diagnostic tools...."
> >
> > The version I made just hooks to the big +12v terminal on the
> alternator
> > instead of going all the way to the battery.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Larry A.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not familiar with the wire tool. Can you share more info?
> >>
> >> The switch seems to work in the sense that I hear at least one relay
> >> coming on when I turn the ignition to the on position (regardless of
> >> whether the pump is going on). I imagine this is a relay to tell the gas
> >> pump to come on for a second, but I could be wrong.
> >> I read back thru this thread, but I'm not sure if you have considered
> the
> >> ignition switch. Do you have one to try swapping?
> >>
> >> Are you familiar with Mark Drillock's emergency bypass jumper wire tool?
> >>
> >> Larry A.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Update:
> >>>
> >>> Before: Engine would die, but after a while would be possible to start
> it
> >>> again, then engine would die a few minutes later. Installed a new coil,
> >>> engine still dies like before (anyone needs a bran new Bosch coil?)
> >>> Suggestion was that it might be a bad hall sensor or coil.
> >>>
> >>> Now: Last time the engine died, when I turned the ignition key to the
> on
> >>> position, the fuel pump didn't engage for the 1 initial second. I left
> >>> the
> >>> ignition to the on position, and after a few minutes I heard the pump
> go
> >>> on. I was then able to start the engine. It died again a few minutes
> >>> later.
> >>>
> >>> So my new guess was that there is an issue with the pump and the engine
> >>> died from no gas.
> >>>
> >>> I waited the pump would not come on with the ignition on the on
> >>> position. I
> >>> searched a bit and it was recommended to short the pin 87 and 30 in the
> >>> right side relay of the black box above the coil. I did that and was
> >>> able
> >>> to get home.
> >>>
> >>> Tried again and the gas pump now turns on when I turn the ignition to
> the
> >>> on position. Gawd I hate intermittent issues.
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions on what how to troubleshoot this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
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