Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:51:50 -0400
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Starter related question.
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No need to remove the throttle body, but removing the boot helps to reach that nut. The GW starter is also a great option and the better solenoid eliminates the benefit of adding a helper relay.
Dennis,
From my phone.
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From: Roy Nicholl<mailto:RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
Sent: 7/15/2016 7:17 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Subject: Re: Starter related question.
That was my assessment of the situation. I was a little confused by the “remove the throttle body”, then I realized he was talking about going at the starter from the top. I plan to tackle it from underneath.
Once I have confirmation the starter is indeed dead, I am debating a shift to a TDi starter (SR0408X) w/ adaptor, rather than another WBX starter. It still looks like I should have room to install the larger starter without having to remove an axle.
> On 14-Jul-2016, at 21:54, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> If It Is a 2WD there is no reason to remove anything other than the Cables & SecuringBolts ~
>
> Access is QuiteGood from DownUnder, Preferably with the BackEnd Up On Ramps ~
>
> Battery Should, OfCourse, be disconnected 1st ~
>
> ORR ~ DeanB
>
>
> On 14 Jul , 2016, at 3:46 PM, C. Abney wrote:
>
>> Things you have to remove to pull the starter: the battery
>> ground(:-*), and (probably) the throttle body. At least, doing that
>> makes removing that long hex head screw easy.
>>
>> I don't think you have to remove the axle. I can't say for sure
>> though, because when I removed the starter on my vanagon I had already
>> removed the axles.
>>
>> On 7/13/16, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Tuesday morning we had a “no crank” situation in the Hyena (’88 2.1 WBX) and
>>> were “late for swimming lessons” as I shifted the kid pod from the Westy
>>> back to "Mom’s car”.
>>>
>>> My multimeter and kit is at another location - I’ll fetch it on Friday - but
>>> today at lunch I had 15-minutes so I pulled the plug off the ignition switch
>>> and stuck a strand of 14/2 Nomax between 12V and 50. I head what sounded
>>> like the solenoid “slam” into place, but only the once. I then went aft
>>> with my stand of 14/2 and bridged #50 at the solenoid … nothing.
>>>
>>> Batter seems fine … according to the simple meter on the charger … will
>>> measure this again with multimeter.
>>>
>>> So it is looking like the {original} starter has packed it in … I’ll go out
>>> on Saturday morning with the meter just to make certain I’m getting all the
>>> required voltage at all the required places.
>>>
>>> While I was under there, I noted there is nothing attached to #16 on the
>>> solenoid … isn’t there suppose to be a connection to the ignition system
>>> (coil) here?
>>>
>>> Let’s assume I need to replace the starter.
>>> 1) Do I really need to disconnect the right axle to do this {as I was told
>>> over the phone today}? It looks like I should be able to get at all the
>>> bolts (after a little cleaning) … not as easy as the ’66, but should be
>>> possible.
>>> 2) Is there an improvement that can be made over the OEM starter? {i.e.
>>> something like a starter from a mk2 jetta i4 that is cheaper to procure}
>>> 3) Is a rebuilt starter worth the cost savings (50%)?
>>> 4) Was there any significant change in the starter over the years? The
>>> Hyena is a 1988, but I know of a possible ’84 donor nearby.
>>>
>>> I also noted a couple more ground straps that need cleaning/attention
>>> (including the one between the solenoid and starter) … I’ll take care of
>>> these before ordering a new starter. I’ve never had a starter fail
>>> completely w/o any prior warning before, so I’m not 100% convinced I do not
>>> have another notoriously bad ground/earth.
>>>
>>> I may as well use this as an opportunity to remove all that current from the
>>> ignition switch and install some additional relays.
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> There's no .sig like the present
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