Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:10:30 -0600
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Bad fuel?
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Have You checked the Batt'Voltage while Cranking ~ I had this happen once on My
83.5 back in '80s & it turned out to be a ShortedCell in the Batt' ~ So the other 5 Cells
were putting out plenty of Juice to CrankIt but the Voltage was not High Enough to make
the ECU Happy ~
ORR ~ DeanB
On 3 Aug , 2016, at 6:52 AM, Skip L wrote:
> Thanks John,
>
> I tested the coil this morning before leaving for the office. I gots
> spark. The video is great! Had to review it about five times to make sure
> I understood everything. I've done this before, but it's been about three
> years. So the coil if fine.
>
> I'm not convinced, yet, that the issue is the Hall Sender. As mentioned,
> I'll go through the ECU trouble-shooting process in Bentley this evening.
>
> Skip
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:18 PM, John Rodgers <jrodgers113@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is a link to a youtube video for a simple test of the coil and the
>> Hall Sensor. Very definitive, easy to do where ever you are. Can even use a
>> paper clip, but a little peice of copper wire is best.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/95PkgSavOCo
>>
>> Used this myself to find a bad coil, and later to find a bad Hall sensor.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2016 21:46, "Skip Laubach" <skiplaubach@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Had a few hours this evening to give it a go. Still no start.
>> 1. Spoke with the gas station owner today. Very nice guy. Said they
>> filled the 2500 gal tank on July 7 and he filled his weed wackier with this
>> gas this Sunday and it ran fine through a full tank. Not bad gas.
>> 2. I isolated the fuel tank by clamping both lines and pulled known good
>> gas out of a 1 gal container and back into a separate 1 gal container at
>> the fuel return line. No start. Further proof not bad gas, and also
>> confirmation that fuel is reaching injectors. Filter and fuel pump
>> confirmed good.
>> 3. Hooked up a remote starter and, separately, jumped the ignition
>> switch. Cranked, no start on both fronts.
>> 4. To make sure the engine is not flooded (good trick if you have a "hot
>> engine/no start") I disconnected the two driver's side fuel injector wire
>> connectors and cranked. Still no start.
>> 5. Suspect no spark, got gas, got air.
>> 6. Tomorrow I'll run through Bentley's ECU tests with a voltmeter.
>> 7. Got bad coil running through my brain right now. I have a spare. Maybe
>> the Hall Sender. Both are less than 5,000 miles new.
>>
>> If you're still reading, any ideas? Oh, Lauren, confirmed not diesel; no
>> offense taken, certainly worth mentioning. I have a 2015 Golf Sportwagen
>> TDI, so I'm well versed on, among other things, diesel fuel.
>>
>> Thanks for your ideas.
>>
>> Skip
>> '84 Digijet, now 2.2
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Stan Shapiro <mail@STANSHAPIRO.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> The old -- crank but wont start-- isnt always that simple. About 3 weeks
>> ago I drove 6 miles down a nasty dirt road to the trail head at the end to
>> go hiking. Finished the trail. Got back to my Westie-- cranks-- but won't
>> start. Eventually it started and ran rough, stalled out, it did that a few
>> more times and eventually it started up good enough to run. But continued
>> to have difficulty starting, almost to the point of not starting. I thought
>> for sure that it would have been dirt from the gas tank that had jiggled
>> free from the horrendous dirt road, and plugged the filter. Changed the
>> fuel filter in the campground. Didn't make any difference. Turned out to
>> be a bad coil.
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Eric Caron <ecaron1@COMCAST.NET>
>>> Date: 7/31/16 17:22 (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: Bad fuel?
>>>
>>> Hi Skip,
>>>
>>> I’m probably the weakest authority but don’t think it is the
>> gas. I suspect you have a different issue. It may be a clogged fuel
>> filter. Is the fuel pump running?
>>>
>>> Again I’m no authority but when this happened to me years ago
>> the fuel pump had died. thats when I learned how to change a fuel pump on
>> the side of the road.
>>>
>>> I hope others give you better advice and please let us know what happens.
>>>
>>> Eric Caron
>>> 85 GL Auto Westfalia
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Skip Laubach <skiplaubach@GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most likely. I filled up with ethanol-free gas (a rarity in Illinois).
>> I drove 1/2 mile and the engine turned off. No start, just cranking over
>> and over. Getting AAA towed in about 25 minutes. I suspect bad gas as it
>> looked like a pump that does not get used much... and the van died after a
>> very short while.
>>>>
>>>> '84 Westy.
>>>>
>>>> Question. OK to drain the tank, add 5 gals of normal gas, maybe some
>> Sea-Foam or MMO? Any other measures that I should take?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Skip
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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