Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:25:31 -0500
Reply-To: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Mechanical/Brakes/1984 Westy
In-Reply-To: <AB394C6B-106E-4883-ADCB-87CB193EBCBF@EricWunrow.com>
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Good on ye, mate.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com> wrote:
> Thank You, Stephen, I really appreciate that!
>
> I hope everyone here understands my replies and confusion(s) in this
> matter. It's been a real challenge to keep this sucker rolling and finding
> reliable mechanics as well. But thankfully, there's been enough of them to
> keep us moving forward.
>
> Thanks again to everyone.
>
> Eric
> Eric Wunrow Pictures
> 303. 988. 8717
>
> VW@EricWunrow.com (for this list's emails)
> EW@EricWunrow.com (for private messages)
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
> > I just read the entire Samba thread on the subject and think every
> poster--yes, even TK, whose unique style shone through
> nonetheless--conducted himself admirably. I was recently involved in a
> troubleshooting thread on a different forum and the clash over "...it's not
> possible..." might have brought the contributors to blows if they'd been in
> the same room.
> > The thing about problems like this is that it's hard to stay on track
> and not be driven crazy, even without off the wall suggestions by the
> onlookers. My uncle Elmer, no matter what the problem, always suggested
> checking the tire pressure. But he was a professional trucker with an
> entire shop at his disposal, so had nothing to lose by spitballing. Glad
> you got it fixed.
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:40 AM, David Beierl <
> dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "There was zero reference in that post to make anyone think "wrong style
> > bearings…" so I think my reply there is fitting."
> >
> > There are really only two reasons that could lead to bad clearances in a
> > tapered roller bearing -- wrong size bearing or damaged shaft. MarkWard
> > pointed you directly to the trouble, and certainly deserves credit for
> his
> > clear thinking. It is difficult to understand how any mechanic could
> > install a bearing half that was an eighth of an inch too large for the
> > shaft, but checking the clearances as MarkWard said would have instantly
> > found it .
> >
> > Yrs,
> > d
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The overriding opinion on several fronts, even beyond here, was master
> >> cylinder-related, and several other potential issues others supported.
> >>
> >>
> >> Terry busted his butt trying to help us, we shared many posts, emails,
> >> texts, and phone calls.
> >>
> >> I'm sure not going to apologize for thanking someone that was really
> there
> >> for me from Day 1.
> >>
> >>
> >> I've replied to Mark's post on the Samba… or, is that you and you're
> >> blowing your own horn? There was zero reference in that post to make
> anyone
> >> think "wrong style bearings…" so I think my reply there is fitting.
> >>
> >>
> >> My appreciation for each and every reply I've gotten from everyone has
> >> been stated, as I really am very thankful for everyone's help!
> >>
> >> This is the only note I could have done without… please just avoid my
> >> posts from here on out.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >> Eric Wunrow Pictures
> >> 303. 988. 8717
> >>
> >> VW@EricWunrow.com (for this list's emails)
> >> EW@EricWunrow.com (for private messages)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:55 AM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@COX.NET> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The official VW Parts says the spindle diameter changed in 84 model
> year
> >> production at chassis number E - 023827 so most 84 would have the later
> >> bearing. Only pretty early 84 model year vans would have the old
> bearing.
> >> The factory built roughly 150,000 T3 vehicles most years.
> >>>
> >>> Not sure why you gave much credit to TK since Mark Ward blamed the
> >> bearings right away. Meanwhile TK had you replacing the master cylinder,
> >> looking for bad hoses, bad bleeders, and said several times that the
> >> bearing were likely not the cause.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, VanCafe rocks, as usual!
> >>>
> >>> Mark D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eric Wunrow wrote:
> >>>> THANK YOU everyone for your help!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem is fixed, and as I "just knew," yes my brake issue was
> >> related to putting in front bearings.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I kept saying ad nauseum, coincidences are rare in the mechanical
> >> world…
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's the short version…
> >>>> All Vanagons prior to later 1984 ending with 150001 as their chassis
> >> number (findable on the rearward side of the frame wall under the bus
> and
> >> below the passenger seat), which should match the VIN if not chopped,
> had a
> >> smaller front spindle diameter.
> >>>>
> >>>> In our case, the mechanic used the later-version bearings on our
> >> early-1984 bus, meaning there was a huge amount of slop in the front
> >> bearings that enabled rotor-centering inconsistencies under braking.
> Hence,
> >> pedal went to floor, then fine, then somewhere in between...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sans repeating the entire saga, and hopefully without irritating our
> >> lovely hosts here, here's all the details:
> >>>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=667705&
> >> postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
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