Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:27:24 -0500
Reply-To: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Mechanical/Brakes/1984 Westy
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Yes, of course, the spindle diameter for the outer bearing increased.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 11:25 AM, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net>
wrote:
> Good on ye, mate.
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank You, Stephen, I really appreciate that!
>>
>> I hope everyone here understands my replies and confusion(s) in this
>> matter. It's been a real challenge to keep this sucker rolling and finding
>> reliable mechanics as well. But thankfully, there's been enough of them to
>> keep us moving forward.
>>
>> Thanks again to everyone.
>>
>> Eric
>> Eric Wunrow Pictures
>> 303. 988. 8717
>>
>> VW@EricWunrow.com (for this list's emails)
>> EW@EricWunrow.com (for private messages)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>>
>> > I just read the entire Samba thread on the subject and think every
>> poster--yes, even TK, whose unique style shone through
>> nonetheless--conducted himself admirably. I was recently involved in a
>> troubleshooting thread on a different forum and the clash over "...it's not
>> possible..." might have brought the contributors to blows if they'd been in
>> the same room.
>> > The thing about problems like this is that it's hard to stay on track
>> and not be driven crazy, even without off the wall suggestions by the
>> onlookers. My uncle Elmer, no matter what the problem, always suggested
>> checking the tire pressure. But he was a professional trucker with an
>> entire shop at his disposal, so had nothing to lose by spitballing. Glad
>> you got it fixed.
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:40 AM, David Beierl <
>> dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > "There was zero reference in that post to make anyone think "wrong style
>> > bearings…" so I think my reply there is fitting."
>> >
>> > There are really only two reasons that could lead to bad clearances in a
>> > tapered roller bearing -- wrong size bearing or damaged shaft. MarkWard
>> > pointed you directly to the trouble, and certainly deserves credit for
>> his
>> > clear thinking. It is difficult to understand how any mechanic could
>> > install a bearing half that was an eighth of an inch too large for the
>> > shaft, but checking the clearances as MarkWard said would have instantly
>> > found it .
>> >
>> > Yrs,
>> > d
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The overriding opinion on several fronts, even beyond here, was master
>> >> cylinder-related, and several other potential issues others supported.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Terry busted his butt trying to help us, we shared many posts, emails,
>> >> texts, and phone calls.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure not going to apologize for thanking someone that was really
>> there
>> >> for me from Day 1.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I've replied to Mark's post on the Samba… or, is that you and you're
>> >> blowing your own horn? There was zero reference in that post to make
>> anyone
>> >> think "wrong style bearings…" so I think my reply there is fitting.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My appreciation for each and every reply I've gotten from everyone has
>> >> been stated, as I really am very thankful for everyone's help!
>> >>
>> >> This is the only note I could have done without… please just avoid my
>> >> posts from here on out.
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >> Eric Wunrow Pictures
>> >> 303. 988. 8717
>> >>
>> >> VW@EricWunrow.com (for this list's emails)
>> >> EW@EricWunrow.com (for private messages)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:55 AM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@COX.NET> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The official VW Parts says the spindle diameter changed in 84 model
>> year
>> >> production at chassis number E - 023827 so most 84 would have the later
>> >> bearing. Only pretty early 84 model year vans would have the old
>> bearing.
>> >> The factory built roughly 150,000 T3 vehicles most years.
>> >>>
>> >>> Not sure why you gave much credit to TK since Mark Ward blamed the
>> >> bearings right away. Meanwhile TK had you replacing the master
>> cylinder,
>> >> looking for bad hoses, bad bleeders, and said several times that the
>> >> bearing were likely not the cause.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, VanCafe rocks, as usual!
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark D
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Eric Wunrow wrote:
>> >>>> THANK YOU everyone for your help!!!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The problem is fixed, and as I "just knew," yes my brake issue was
>> >> related to putting in front bearings.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As I kept saying ad nauseum, coincidences are rare in the mechanical
>> >> world…
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here's the short version…
>> >>>> All Vanagons prior to later 1984 ending with 150001 as their chassis
>> >> number (findable on the rearward side of the frame wall under the bus
>> and
>> >> below the passenger seat), which should match the VIN if not chopped,
>> had a
>> >> smaller front spindle diameter.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In our case, the mechanic used the later-version bearings on our
>> >> early-1984 bus, meaning there was a huge amount of slop in the front
>> >> bearings that enabled rotor-centering inconsistencies under braking.
>> Hence,
>> >> pedal went to floor, then fine, then somewhere in between...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sans repeating the entire saga, and hopefully without irritating our
>> >> lovely hosts here, here's all the details:
>> >>>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=667705&
>> >> postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
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