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Date:         Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:27:24 -0500
Reply-To:     David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: Mechanical/Brakes/1984 Westy
Comments: To: Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com>
In-Reply-To:  <CAMOH8LL_nP28Cy0s=uQPm5TjSfjufsDQjaSYdgvNyeFqCPv4KQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, of course, the spindle diameter for the outer bearing increased.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 11:25 AM, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote:

> Good on ye, mate. > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com> wrote: > >> Thank You, Stephen, I really appreciate that! >> >> I hope everyone here understands my replies and confusion(s) in this >> matter. It's been a real challenge to keep this sucker rolling and finding >> reliable mechanics as well. But thankfully, there's been enough of them to >> keep us moving forward. >> >> Thanks again to everyone. >> >> Eric >> Eric Wunrow Pictures >> 303. 988. 8717 >> >> VW@EricWunrow.com (for this list's emails) >> EW@EricWunrow.com (for private messages) >> >> >> >> On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM> wrote: >> >> > I just read the entire Samba thread on the subject and think every >> poster--yes, even TK, whose unique style shone through >> nonetheless--conducted himself admirably. I was recently involved in a >> troubleshooting thread on a different forum and the clash over "...it's not >> possible..." might have brought the contributors to blows if they'd been in >> the same room. >> > The thing about problems like this is that it's hard to stay on track >> and not be driven crazy, even without off the wall suggestions by the >> onlookers. My uncle Elmer, no matter what the problem, always suggested >> checking the tire pressure. But he was a professional trucker with an >> entire shop at his disposal, so had nothing to lose by spitballing. Glad >> you got it fixed. >> > Stephen >> > >> > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:40 AM, David Beierl < >> dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET> wrote: >> > >> > >> > "There was zero reference in that post to make anyone think "wrong style >> > bearings…" so I think my reply there is fitting." >> > >> > There are really only two reasons that could lead to bad clearances in a >> > tapered roller bearing -- wrong size bearing or damaged shaft. MarkWard >> > pointed you directly to the trouble, and certainly deserves credit for >> his >> > clear thinking. It is difficult to understand how any mechanic could >> > install a bearing half that was an eighth of an inch too large for the >> > shaft, but checking the clearances as MarkWard said would have instantly >> > found it . >> > >> > Yrs, >> > d >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com> wrote: >> > >> >> The overriding opinion on several fronts, even beyond here, was master >> >> cylinder-related, and several other potential issues others supported. >> >> >> >> >> >> Terry busted his butt trying to help us, we shared many posts, emails, >> >> texts, and phone calls. >> >> >> >> I'm sure not going to apologize for thanking someone that was really >> there >> >> for me from Day 1. >> >> >> >> >> >> I've replied to Mark's post on the Samba… or, is that you and you're >> >> blowing your own horn? There was zero reference in that post to make >> anyone >> >> think "wrong style bearings…" so I think my reply there is fitting. >> >> >> >> >> >> My appreciation for each and every reply I've gotten from everyone has >> >> been stated, as I really am very thankful for everyone's help! >> >> >> >> This is the only note I could have done without… please just avoid my >> >> posts from here on out. >> >> >> >> Eric >> >> Eric Wunrow Pictures >> >> 303. 988. 8717 >> >> >> >> VW@EricWunrow.com (for this list's emails) >> >> EW@EricWunrow.com (for private messages) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:55 AM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@COX.NET> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The official VW Parts says the spindle diameter changed in 84 model >> year >> >> production at chassis number E - 023827 so most 84 would have the later >> >> bearing. Only pretty early 84 model year vans would have the old >> bearing. >> >> The factory built roughly 150,000 T3 vehicles most years. >> >>> >> >>> Not sure why you gave much credit to TK since Mark Ward blamed the >> >> bearings right away. Meanwhile TK had you replacing the master >> cylinder, >> >> looking for bad hoses, bad bleeders, and said several times that the >> >> bearing were likely not the cause. >> >>> >> >>> Yes, VanCafe rocks, as usual! >> >>> >> >>> Mark D >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Eric Wunrow wrote: >> >>>> THANK YOU everyone for your help!!! >> >>>> >> >>>> The problem is fixed, and as I "just knew," yes my brake issue was >> >> related to putting in front bearings. >> >>>> >> >>>> As I kept saying ad nauseum, coincidences are rare in the mechanical >> >> world… >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Here's the short version… >> >>>> All Vanagons prior to later 1984 ending with 150001 as their chassis >> >> number (findable on the rearward side of the frame wall under the bus >> and >> >> below the passenger seat), which should match the VIN if not chopped, >> had a >> >> smaller front spindle diameter. >> >>>> >> >>>> In our case, the mechanic used the later-version bearings on our >> >> early-1984 bus, meaning there was a huge amount of slop in the front >> >> bearings that enabled rotor-centering inconsistencies under braking. >> Hence, >> >> pedal went to floor, then fine, then somewhere in between... >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Sans repeating the entire saga, and hopefully without irritating our >> >> lovely hosts here, here's all the details: >> >>>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=667705& >> >> postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >


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