I've mentioned this a number of times before but it may be worth mentioning it again for some considering heating with propane. Check out the Olympian Wave III. Mine is plumbed in to the propane tank and mounted on the passenger seat bulkhead facing into the cabin. It uses very little oxygen to produce the heat that it does, hence not so much water vapor as the cheaper heaters. I crack a sliding window a few inches and that works. Have camped with it many many times.

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Jim

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:07 AM Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've found that a small propane bottle will keep me warm for about 6 or 7 > days in my tintop. The low setting gets it too warm in maybe one minute, > then I turn it off... Depending, of course, on the outside temperature, the > Vanagon remains comfortable for some time, then I turn the knob and the > heater does it again.... another minute or two. > I started with a barbecue-size bottle and the hose, and with it below > freezing in a blizzard, I ran it on "low", shutting down for only short > periods till it got uncomfortable, (no curtains or windshield cover) > > > > On Dec 15, 2016 4:34 AM, "Ryan Perry" <rjdperry@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Good point and only a propane heater meant to be used indoors should be > > considered. Luckily these being discussed are catalytic and meant for > just > > that with O2 and Tip over sensor. The most dangerous part about it is > > accidently burning yourself. Also, our vans are leaky and airy enough > that > > I would wonder if lack of O2 would ever be an issue? > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 7:18 AM Mark Milby <obxmilby@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > *Danger Will Robinson! Danger!* > > > > > > I hope everyone is aware of the dangers of propane heaters indoors. > Some > > > are OK, most are not. I was at the F1 GP camping in Indy when the three > > > guys died heating there camper with propane. It was an ugly scene. > > > > > > Be very careful, or better yet find another heat source. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Michael McSwain < > > michaelmcswain@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I think I agree. For size, heat and propane consumption I'm going > to > > > > exchange it for the smaller one. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the input > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 5:14 AM David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > At the high setting of 9,000 BTU/hr, Don, the one you linked will use > > up > > > a > > > > pound bottle of gas in two hours and change. The lower setting is > > around > > > > 6,000 BTU/hr, should run around three and a half hours. In my > > experience > > > > as well as getting expensive quickly with the pound bottles, it would > > be > > > > better in the van if the high setting were around 5-6000 BTU/hr and > the > > > low > > > > setting half that. > > > > > > > > They make a smaller unit that stands on top of the bottle that Harry > > > > Hoffman has been very pleased with in his van. One setting, rated > 3800 > > > > BTU/hr -- should go over five hours on a pound bottle. However it > > would > > > > need modification to be able to work with an external hose as it > simply > > > > screws to the bottle top. > > > > > > > > Michael, I think you'd be happier with either one of the smaller > ones. > > > > > > > > Yrs, > > > > d > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:56 AM, Michael McSwain < > > > michaelmcswain@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I just bought the larger version with two burners, but I'm thinking > > > about > > > > returning it in exchange for the smaller one. Has the smaller > version > > > left > > > > anyone wanting for more heat or does it seem to be adequate? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, 10:42 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Don, > > > > > I am fully in agreement with your choice of Mr Heater. I have the > > > Little > > > > > Buddy heater; same principle as the bigger one, just smaller. > Works > > > > > great. ESPECIALLY in low humidity and low elevations like you are > > now > > > > > dealing with in the Southern California deserts. I was amazed and > > > > thrilled > > > > > first time I used it. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the issues are getting rid of carbon monoxide and water > vapor; a > > > > > generous crack in the side windows, both sides, and a passage for > > stuff > > > > to > > > > > go out the vent upstairs, and you've got a nice, tidy, comfy little > > > > Vanagon > > > > > world. > > > > > Word is that it fails above 7,000 feet....but that is not the > > situation > > > > > where you are now, in the low desert. Actually, I've never tried > > mine > > > > > above 7,000 feet. Like in the Eastern Sierras at late Spring or > > early > > > > Fall. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, pretty nice to be warm and comfy; my Little Buddy Heater from > > Mr > > > > > Heater is packed and ready to go with a couple green propane > > cylinders > > > > from > > > > > Walmart, you know, the little ones. Might go this weekend. > Vanagon > > > > > comfort at its finest. > > > > > The desert out there is starting to look mighty nice; couple more > > > > > rainstorms and we are in good shape. > > > > > > > > > > RichSan Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM> > > > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:50 PM > > > > > Subject: Mr Heater > > > > > > > > > > I just came through a few days of cold weather in my > tintop/westie... > > > The > > > > > wind howling, snow blowing at elevation, and cold rain elsewhere. > > This > > > > > trip, I have along a Mr. Heater, a catalytic propane unit that uses > > > those > > > > > small green propane cylinders or connects to a normal tank with a > > > hose. > > > > > I can't believe I've camped and traveled for so long without any > real > > > > > heat... > > > > > The heater gets the van comfortable in a few minutes, it has two > > > temp. > > > > > settings and a pilot light, a low O2 shutoff and a tip over switch. > > > I've > > > > > not timed how long the small cannisters will go. Pretty compact > when > > > > using > > > > > the small size propane, which tucks into the housing nicely. These > > > heat > > > > > soundlessly, almost.. fairly reasonable.... I gave $60 + 20 for > the > > > hose > > > > > to a bigger refillable tank. Pretty cheesy construction, but it > > works > > > > > great ..and no more diving right into a sleeping bag as soon as > > dinner > > > > has > > > > > cooked, to keep from freezing... > > > > > A thumbs up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/395472-mr-heater- > > > > portable-buddy-propane-heater.html?feedsource=3&gclid=Cj0KEQiAsf_ > > > > BBRDMpoOHw4aSq4QBEiQAPm7DL-2y2en3ABEpOhxnGay7WV5678qK_ > > > > u51FhG-6Cy1HdcaArlf8P8HAQ > > > > > > > > > > Sheesh, big link there.. sending by Android from the desert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mm > > > > > >