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Date:         Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:40:41 +0000
Reply-To:     Michael McSwain <michaelmcswain@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Michael McSwain <michaelmcswain@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mr Heater
Comments: To: David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net>
In-Reply-To:  <CAMOH8LKy-5aXwL5hX7ja4e4yX2XxDiJSLyFrSa2BuUvXFKWV=g@mail.gmail.com>
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I do like the Olympian. That looks small enough to leave it there year round.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 1:57 PM David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote:

> The small Olympian looks very attractive for a non-vented heater, and it's > adjustable down from 1/8 lb/hr to less than half that. It doesn't change > the physics of non-vented heaters, though -- it uses the same amount of > oxygen and produces the same amount of water vapor (about 3/4 litre of > liquid water per pound of propane burnt) as any other non-vented LP heater. > > Yrs,' > d > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I've mentioned this a number of times before but it may be worth > mentioning > > it again for some considering heating with propane. Check out the > Olympian > > Wave III. Mine is plumbed in to the propane tank and mounted on the > > passenger seat bulkhead facing into the cabin. It uses very little oxygen > > to produce the heat that it does, hence not so much water vapor as the > > cheaper heaters. I crack a sliding window a few inches and that works. > Have > > camped with it many many times. > > > > < > > http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/olympian-wave-3- > > catalytic-safety-heater/19332 > > > > > > > Jim > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:07 AM Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I've found that a small propane bottle will keep me warm for about 6 > or 7 > > > days in my tintop. The low setting gets it too warm in maybe one > minute, > > > then I turn it off... Depending, of course, on the outside temperature, > > the > > > Vanagon remains comfortable for some time, then I turn the knob and the > > > heater does it again.... another minute or two. > > > I started with a barbecue-size bottle and the hose, and with it below > > > freezing in a blizzard, I ran it on "low", shutting down for only short > > > periods till it got uncomfortable, (no curtains or windshield cover) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2016 4:34 AM, "Ryan Perry" <rjdperry@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Good point and only a propane heater meant to be used indoors should > be > > > > considered. Luckily these being discussed are catalytic and meant for > > > just > > > > that with O2 and Tip over sensor. The most dangerous part about it is > > > > accidently burning yourself. Also, our vans are leaky and airy enough > > > that > > > > I would wonder if lack of O2 would ever be an issue? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 7:18 AM Mark Milby <obxmilby@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > *Danger Will Robinson! Danger!* > > > > > > > > > > I hope everyone is aware of the dangers of propane heaters indoors. > > > Some > > > > > are OK, most are not. I was at the F1 GP camping in Indy when the > > three > > > > > guys died heating there camper with propane. It was an ugly scene. > > > > > > > > > > Be very careful, or better yet find another heat source. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Michael McSwain < > > > > michaelmcswain@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think I agree. For size, heat and propane consumption I'm > going > > > to > > > > > > exchange it for the smaller one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the input > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 5:14 AM David Beierl < > dbeierl@attglobal.net> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > At the high setting of 9,000 BTU/hr, Don, the one you linked will > > use > > > > up > > > > > a > > > > > > pound bottle of gas in two hours and change. The lower setting > is > > > > around > > > > > > 6,000 BTU/hr, should run around three and a half hours. In my > > > > experience > > > > > > as well as getting expensive quickly with the pound bottles, it > > would > > > > be > > > > > > better in the van if the high setting were around 5-6000 BTU/hr > and > > > the > > > > > low > > > > > > setting half that. > > > > > > > > > > > > They make a smaller unit that stands on top of the bottle that > > Harry > > > > > > Hoffman has been very pleased with in his van. One setting, > rated > > > 3800 > > > > > > BTU/hr -- should go over five hours on a pound bottle. However > it > > > > would > > > > > > need modification to be able to work with an external hose as it > > > simply > > > > > > screws to the bottle top. > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael, I think you'd be happier with either one of the smaller > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yrs, > > > > > > d > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:56 AM, Michael McSwain < > > > > > michaelmcswain@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I just bought the larger version with two burners, but I'm > > thinking > > > > > about > > > > > > returning it in exchange for the smaller one. Has the smaller > > > version > > > > > left > > > > > > anyone wanting for more heat or does it seem to be adequate? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, 10:42 PM Richard Koerner < > > rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, > > > > > > > I am fully in agreement with your choice of Mr Heater. I have > > the > > > > > Little > > > > > > > Buddy heater; same principle as the bigger one, just smaller. > > > Works > > > > > > > great. ESPECIALLY in low humidity and low elevations like you > > are > > > > now > > > > > > > dealing with in the Southern California deserts. I was amazed > > and > > > > > > thrilled > > > > > > > first time I used it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the issues are getting rid of carbon monoxide and water > > > vapor; a > > > > > > > generous crack in the side windows, both sides, and a passage > for > > > > stuff > > > > > > to > > > > > > > go out the vent upstairs, and you've got a nice, tidy, comfy > > little > > > > > > Vanagon > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > Word is that it fails above 7,000 feet....but that is not the > > > > situation > > > > > > > where you are now, in the low desert. Actually, I've never > tried > > > > mine > > > > > > > above 7,000 feet. Like in the Eastern Sierras at late Spring > or > > > > early > > > > > > Fall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, pretty nice to be warm and comfy; my Little Buddy Heater > > from > > > > Mr > > > > > > > Heater is packed and ready to go with a couple green propane > > > > cylinders > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Walmart, you know, the little ones. Might go this weekend. > > > Vanagon > > > > > > > comfort at its finest. > > > > > > > The desert out there is starting to look mighty nice; couple > more > > > > > > > rainstorms and we are in good shape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RichSan Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM> > > > > > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:50 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Mr Heater > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just came through a few days of cold weather in my > > > tintop/westie... > > > > > The > > > > > > > wind howling, snow blowing at elevation, and cold rain > elsewhere. > > > > This > > > > > > > trip, I have along a Mr. Heater, a catalytic propane unit that > > uses > > > > > those > > > > > > > small green propane cylinders or connects to a normal tank > > with a > > > > > hose. > > > > > > > I can't believe I've camped and traveled for so long without > any > > > real > > > > > > > heat... > > > > > > > The heater gets the van comfortable in a few minutes, it has > > two > > > > > temp. > > > > > > > settings and a pilot light, a low O2 shutoff and a tip over > > switch. > > > > > I've > > > > > > > not timed how long the small cannisters will go. Pretty > compact > > > when > > > > > > using > > > > > > > the small size propane, which tucks into the housing nicely. > > These > > > > > heat > > > > > > > soundlessly, almost.. fairly reasonable.... I gave $60 + 20 > for > > > the > > > > > hose > > > > > > > to a bigger refillable tank. Pretty cheesy construction, but > it > > > > works > > > > > > > great ..and no more diving right into a sleeping bag as soon as > > > > dinner > > > > > > has > > > > > > > cooked, to keep from freezing... > > > > > > > A thumbs up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/395472-mr-heater- > > > > > > portable-buddy-propane-heater.html?feedsource=3&gclid=Cj0KEQiAsf_ > > > > > > BBRDMpoOHw4aSq4QBEiQAPm7DL-2y2en3ABEpOhxnGay7WV5678qK_ > > > > > > u51FhG-6Cy1HdcaArlf8P8HAQ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheesh, big link there.. sending by Android from the desert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Mm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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