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Date:         Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:13:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fixed dash lights, not certain how.
Comments: To: Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To:  <CAB2RwfjhqJETmrKyCc5aHDLkya4VdLUb_a+=0Lj599W==R_WDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I've heard a buzzing, too ... whenever I try the emergency flashers...and only my left side works on flashers... I am leaving it till I am not needing my van not travelling... probably a foul ground or flasher unit...

On Dec 15, 2016 1:02 PM, "Neil N" <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:

> ........ actually, now I recall hearing a buzzing sound like a cell > phone buzz ring while I was re-installing the fuse panel. That may be > a clue. It didn't sound like a wire arcing (shorting) but it may have > been. > > On 12/15/16, Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote: > > heh. "Sadly", no magic smoke released; our fellow campers ended up > > with a lack lustre afternoon. LOL. > > > > I see earlier BA6 diagrams in my Bentley but the are quite similar (to > > my untrained eye) to the later style. I may peruse the Diesel Vanagon > > BA6 diagrams. > > > > The dash lights did work then after the owner took it for a drive, > > they failed. I checked light operation while fuse panel was lowered > > but did not check them after re-attaching the fuse panel. I'm > > suspecting a rogue wire or other part above fuse panel is causing the > > short. Maybe a wire from the load side of the fuse slipped off when > > panel was lowered for the headlight relay install (by someone else). > > It's that or something to do with the decomissioned fog lights; that > > circuit may still be live though I found no power at wire that was > > connected to lights at bumper area. > > > > The 50 wire must've connected to the brake light module at one point. > > The shrink wrap that covered the now removed terminal does not look > > OEM at all. > > > > Neil. > > > > On 12/15/16, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote: > >> Too bad it's an '85. '84 and earlier would have smoked the harness and > >> let > >> you know right away where the short was. ;-) > >> > >> BA6 diagram in Bentley is only for 2.1l with the new fuse block, so no > >> help > >> with the specifics of how that one was put in. > >> > >> I've got no clue why they ran 50 to the brake/seat belt light module. I > >> can't even see them in daylight, so I drilled a hole in the brake one to > >> let the light out, and I ignore the other one. Perhaps it's a trigger > to > >> start a timeout for the belt one after you start the engine? > >> > >> Yrs, > >> d > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi all. > >>> > >>> Im far from home on a road trip, traveling with a friend who owns an > >>> 1985 > >>> westy. All of his dash lights were out. The S13 blade type fuse had > >>> failed. > >>> A new fuse also failed. The following systems are present but > >>> decommissioned: aux ba6 gas heater, Anti theft devices, possible fog > >>> light > >>> relay, "factory" looking fog light switch at RH side of instrument > >>> cluster. > >>> > >>> Though I thought we'd found the short, and though I "fixed" his dash > >>> lights, I'm not certain the cause of fuse failure was really resolved. > I > >>> originally thought a damaged (exposed copper) piggybacked wire off the > >>> 30 > >>> wire to the gas heater relay was shorting to the frame causing fuse S13 > >>> to > >>> blow, but that wire tested for battery voltage in spite of the fuse in > >>> question being blown. And, looking at the wiring diagrams, I don't see > >>> S13 > >>> involved with the gas heater circuits. Does the gas heater use s13 in > >>> any > >>> way? > >>> > >>> All told, I cleaned up the anti theft wiring, capped and,or repaired > >>> various stock wires at cluster and dash, removed some non op wires, > >>> installed a new dahs light, added shrink wrap and tape to non insulated > >>> exposed terminals at what is likely the fog light relay. > >>> > >>> It's possible the exposed terminals at the loose mystery relay, > >>> remaining > >>> dangling exterior fog light wire (end rested on frame, albeit a dirty > >>> connection if any) could've been the source of the short but im > >>> concerned > >>> only I "fixed" the problem by inadvertently moving a shorting out wire > >>> or > >>> whatever away from frame metal and that the issue may happen again. > >>> > >>> This is a separate issue, but does the 50 wire to the brake warning > >>> light > >>> simply turn off the light when cranking engine? That wire has been > >>> removed > >>> from the connector. It was likely used as part of a starter motor anti > >>> theft device. > >>> > >>> > >>> TIA a bunch, > >>> > >>> Neil. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Neil n > >>> > >>> Blog: Vanagons, Westfalia, general <http://tubaneil.blogspot.ca> > >>> > >>> 1988 Westy Images <https://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/New1988Westy> > >>> > >>> 1981 Westfalia "Jaco" Images, technical > >>> <http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/> > >>> > >>> Vanagon-Bus VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay> > >>> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Neil n > > > > Blog: Vanagons, Westfalia, general <http://tubaneil.blogspot.ca> > > > > 1988 Westy Images <https://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/New1988Westy> > > > > 1981 Westfalia "Jaco" Images, technical <http://tubaneil.googlepages. > com/> > > > > Vanagon-Bus VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay> > > > > > -- > Neil n > > Blog: Vanagons, Westfalia, general <http://tubaneil.blogspot.ca> > > 1988 Westy Images <https://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/New1988Westy> > > 1981 Westfalia "Jaco" Images, technical <http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/> > > Vanagon-Bus VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay> >


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