Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 21:39:32 -0400
Reply-To: Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
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From: Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed kit
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Dennis,
Mine has been “tweaked” and was rated at 77kW (~102HP) … I doubt it performs quite to that level now.
> On 31-Dec-2016, at 12:32, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> While the 1.6TD makes more torque at lower engine RPM it does not have the same horsepower as a 2.1L unless it has been tweaked. I have worked on and driven a couple of them. Just my opinion but I wouldn’t desire one any more than I would switch my home back to oil heat from natural gas.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Roy Nicholl
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:53 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed kit
>
> Don,
>
> Some of our T3s came with a 1.6TD in the back … perhaps not a Big Torque Engine … but a little bigger than the WBX
>
>> On 30-Dec-2016, at 23:11, Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Good points.. If you install a big torque motor behind a factory
>> Vanagon transmission, you are exceeding the design parameters of the transmission.
>> You'll need to learn to drive differently, if you can, or plan on
>> breaking things.
>> Our Vanagons are pretty heavy and their WBX motors have a wide torque
>> band, sure..117 ft/lbs?..that is not big torque, so we're not speedy, but
>> you floor it, and go as fast as it'll take you. Nice and simple...
>> When you add a TDI, a Subaru, supercharged inline, or another big
>> torque motor..and you use all it's torque, you're asking for breakage
>> in the drive line... especially if you are banging low rpm
>> short-shifts or driving hard on variable surfaces.
>> Vehicles are designed as complete systems. The transmission was made
>> to withstand what a WBX motor puts out, torque-wise, probably not much more.
>> I'm running an inline VW with a bit more Horsepower but only a little
>> more torque... I have to run higher RPM to achieve better performance,
>> but I don't stress the transmission that much more with larger turning
>> force (torque).. The trade-off is the ABA motor was designed as part
>> of a passenger car, fairly light, so I've learned to NOT ask this
>> light car motor to grunt at low rpms against the almost 5000lbs I
>> usually weight in my Vanagon... It's not a lugging low rpm motor,
>> especially in a Vanagon, but you probably could drive it that way in a
>> stock sedan, (the car it was designed for) I'd be diligent about
>> keeping high quality lube in the transmission, maybe even add a
>> temperature gauge, and apply all that big torque gently...Or spend
>> more money and install a strong Porsche turbo tranny 😂
>>
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2016 4:19 PM, "C. Abney" <tsudonimh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears that many who have swapped to higher powered motors,
>>> bigger wheels, and or overloaded their vans with accessories have had
>>> to rebuild their transmissions frequently. That is becoming more
>>> clear as time goes on.
>>>
>>> Be modest about what you do change, and don't change your driving
>>> habits from what you'd normally do given that you are driving a
>>> vanagon. That's the take-home lesson I got based on my readings.
>>>
>>> On 12/30/16, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In addition to the .73 fifth gear what final drive (ring/pinion)
>>>> ratio
>>> are
>>>> you running and what size ties? All of this factors in.
>>>> While it appears that reducing engine rpm is an ultimate goal there
>>>> are disadvantages. It takes continuous horsepower to overcome wind
>>> resistance.
>>>> Horsepower is a function of torque and RPM. Reduce the RPM and
>>>> torque
>>> has to
>>>> increase proportionally. Increased torque then becomes increased
>>>> stress
>>> on
>>>> everything. So you save some fuel but decreased transmission and
>>>> engine
>>> life
>>>> become victims. Keep in mind that the base of these transmissions
>>>> were developed for engines less than 60 HP and vans somewhat lighter
>>>> and with less frontal area than ours. These transmissions do not
>>>> like torque over time. Also, keeping the engines running under load,
>>>> pushing with more
>>> boost
>>>> to get the job dome makes for an NOx emissions issue.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>> Darrell Boehler
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 9:16 AM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed kit
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>> I use a 0.73 ratio 5th gear from Weddle on my 86 vanagon
>>>> 094 transaxle and it works fine. I have a tdi ahu converted to a tdi
>>>> afn. I
>>> have
>>>> 20k miles on it and am happy. If you are staying with the same size
>>>> tires you might want to go to the 0.70 ratio. I rarely need to down
>>>> shift on
>>> the
>>>> highway.
>>>> Midwesty
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> It seems my TO-DO list is a FITO (faster-in-than-out)
>>>
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