Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:08:43 -0500
Reply-To: Jason <uberhare@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jason <uberhare@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed Kit Diesel Conversions
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I've looked at the flipped Passat, Subaru, and Renault UN1 options. So far
I'd prefer to stick to the original gearbox. If the UN1 was readily
available here, I'd probably consider that next.
Jason
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> Jason:
>
> If that is what you wish to accomplish, why not swap the tranny for the
> flipped Passat tranny … there’s a project thread or two on Brickyard or
> Samba about the conversion.
>
> > On 03-Jan-2017, at 18:39, Jason <uberhare@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > Even with the tuning peak torque still seems to be coming in around
> > 2000-2200 RPM. I've been driving a Passat with the same engine for 4
> years
> > now, so I'm pretty comfy with the performance level. I've also towed
> quite
> > a bit with it (2500-3500 lbs) and still cruises nicely at @ 2200 rpm
> > heavily loaded (6 speed manual conversion). Even putting another Passat
> > wagon on the car dolly (3500 lbs + 3500 lbs) cruised fine at 2200-2400
> rpm
> > on the highway. My cargo trailer is 8 feet tall, the mileage suffers
> > heavily but my cruise speed does not.
> >
> > I'm pretty confident the 4.14 will be ok, it's more longevity I'm
> concerned
> > about. It might just eat bearings every 4-5 years - which I could
> accept.
> > TDI's don't like the high revs as much as IDI's when it comes to fuel
> > mileage I've found. The Whitestar just did 500 miles last weekend and
> > cruised happily at 75-80mph the whole trip :) It's best highway Vanagon
> > I've owned yet, also the first one I've had oversized tires on
> (205-70-15).
> > It will be our summer time daily driver/highway cruiser and will likely
> > not get heavily loaded that often. If the TDI will cruise @ 2600/75mph
> > I'll be happy. If was going IDI or ALH I'd likely use the 4,57.
> >
> > Jason
> > Uberbus
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My experience with the VW Diesels including the TDI is limited but I
> have
> >> seen them. Here in New York we follow the CARB and conversions of any
> type
> >> are restricted. We are not allowed any of the VW Diesel products from
> 2002
> >> through 2006. We just don't see many Diesels here.
> >>
> >> As for your gearing choice I think you are going a bit too tall. The
> 300ft
> >> lbs is a high state of tune and that peak is around 2,400 rpm from what
> >> I've seen. As such I think you want to get near that torque peak just
> above
> >> 55-60 mph where wind resistance starts becoming the load. I would also
> >> re-think that state of tune. While it works short term for hatchbacks
> and
> >> sedans keeping that engine under sustained load/turbo boost is not good
> for
> >> long engine life or emissions. Also there is nothing in that
> transmission
> >> that will take that torque for any period of time. I would suggest the
> 4.57
> >> R/P with the ratios you already selected.
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> >> Of Jason
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 2:37 PM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed Kit
> >>
> >> I was looking at using the following gear set:
> >>
> >> 4.13 final
> >> 4.11 1st
> >> 2.33 2nd
> >> 1.48 3rd
> >> 1.02 4th
> >> 0.70 5th
> >>
> >> This would make 1st a regular gear - which I have no issue modifying the
> >> lockout. The shift pattern would be the same as my LT, which works
> well.
> >> The drop from 3-4 and 4-5 is about the same with this choice (1250 rpm).
> >> In fact the factory diesel 5 speed (DX) uses the same gear set with a
> >> 0.765 5th. I'll be using a 2.0TDI with around 300 ft-lbs torque, so it
> >> should
> >> handle the .70 without issue. Cruise at 70mph would be 2600 RPM with
> my
> >> current tires.
> >>
> >> There are a few threads on thesamba where people mention the Weddle kit,
> >> but no one has posted anything first hand. I suspect GoWesty is using
> the
> >> Weddle gears to build their 094 5 speeds (
> >> http://www.gowesty.com/product-details.php?id=4332). The 091/1 is
> >> essentially the same box as 094, making it easy to convert with the new
> >> gear set and end cap. Add the diesel 50 degree bell housing, and I'd be
> >> good to go! (Albeit a few thousand lighter in the wallet...) By the
> time
> >> I re-gear the 4 speed with a new R&P and 4th, I might as well do the 5
> >> speed I think.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >> Uberbus
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:58 PM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@cox.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you expect to use 1st a lot then you may want to remove the need to
> >>> push down to clear the lockout. If you go with the 4.13 then more 1st
> >>> use is probably where you will be.
> >>>
> >>> Don has the odd early diesel 5 speed gearing, with his 5th about the
> >>> same as an ordinary 4spd wbx 4th gear. His 1st is much lower than the
> >>> wbx 1st so he seldom needs it and uses 2nd instead. That early 5 speed
> >>> was meant for the 48hp early 1.6 diesel engine.
> >>>
> >>> Your proposal to combine the tallest 5th option with the tallest r&p
> >>> option means you should expect to have to drop down a gear more often
> >>> so you may want to move 4th taller as well so the jump isn't so great
> >>> between 4th and 5th.
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> Jason wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This page shows the available ratios:
> >>>> https://weddleindustries.com/products/new-products/new-vw-094-5-speed
> >>>> -kit
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks like a viable option. I've read it moves 1st down past the
> >>>> lockout though. I'd have to modify my shifter since that would drive
> >> me nuts.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jason
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Jason <uberhare@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am looking to build a 5 speed for a TDI conversion. Does anyone
> >> have
> >>>>>> experience with the Weddle 094 5 speed kit? 4.13 final with 0.70
> >>>>>> 5th
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> be nice! Since I have to regear a transmission anyways, this may
> >>>>>> be a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> good
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> route:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://weddleindustries.com/products/1000157/1005442
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>> Uberbus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>
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