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Date:         Wed, 18 Jan 2017 02:12:24 +0000
Reply-To:     "kenneth wilford (Van-Again)" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         "kenneth wilford (Van-Again)" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Subject:      Re: Don't yell at me but I tried led H4
Comments: To: Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca>
In-Reply-To:  <CDE474B1-9C43-4DD2-AD19-11F676A29264@shaw.ca>
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Ok, sounds good.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, 9:04 PM Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Ok, saw the pics. To be honest those were the type of led bulbs that I > rejected. My reasoning, and I'm spitballing here so take it for what it's > worth, is that those led units do not mimic the filament position of the > halogen bulbs. I think they won't produce as sharp and defined beam pattern > as the ones I chose. I may be wrong, but that was my reasoning. My concern > is the low beam cut off that the e code lamps are designed to produce. > > They will be bright but I'm going to predict they will be more glaring on > low beam than the ones I bought. > > But let's see, right? It's pouring down rain tonight here, I didn't do the > "lights on the wall comparing halogen and led test" . But let's both get > that done sooner rather than later and we can compare, ok? > > Cheers > > Alistair > > > > > On Jan 17, 2017, at 2:07 PM, kenneth wilford (Van-Again) < > kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Here is a link to a couple of pictures of the bulbs and also a picture > of my friend's van with the bulbs installed. > > > > https://goo.gl/photos/5xTbpCWbrBXvDApXA > > > > Ken > > > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Ken, > >> > >> I'd draw your attention to the layout of the leds on the bulb. I choose > the one I did as I thought the layout most closely matched the filament > layout in the halogen. > >> > >> I'm of two minds about the fan cooled units. On one hand it would allow > a more powerful led array, on the other hand it's one more thing to go > wrong. But that failure fear is probably un warranted. Btw, my bulbs are > 25W each. > >> > >> I wouldn't put too much faith in advertised light output numbers, > lumens. It suspect that they are calculated values based on led > characteristics and not very accurate in real life. > >> > >> The power handling electronics are built into the lamps I have, no > separate box in line. Just a pigtail to a three prong male plug. > >> > >> And see if you can discern any radio interference. Try a faint fm > station. > >> > >> I'm interested in your opinion about the light quality, especially > distance with high beams. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Alistair > >> > >> > >> > On Jan 17, 2017, at 12:17 PM, kenneth wilford (Van-Again) < > kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > They are kind of similar. It looks like they may have a fan on the > rear of the bulb and a heat sink. Also there is a box where electronics > lives that reminds me of the HID bulbs they we were experimenting with a > little while ago. I wanted to install these today and do the video but it > is raining here and my shop is tied up at the moment. Maybe if I can get > the bus I am working on out of the shop or have a decent weather day, I can > install them on a customer's van that is here right now and do the video. > I have some pictures from my friend that I supplied them to for testing > purposes and he loves them and they do give off more light and a nice white > light that doesn't look weird (HIDs I am thinking of you). > >> > > >> > Ken > >> > > >> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> > wrote: > >> >> Kenneth, > >> >> > >> >> Are the similar in form factor to the ones I posted on my blog? The > link to the source is also on the blog post. > >> >> > >> >> Are they passively cooled or do they have a fan? > >> >> > >> >> And do they interfere with weak radio signals or communication radio? > >> >> > >> >> Btw, The bulbs come with adapters to fit H4, H7, H11, 9005, 9006. > >> >> > >> >> Alistair > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:05 AM, kenneth wilford (Van-Again) < > kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > I have been experimenting with LED and HID bulbs in the square > headlights > >> >> > for a while now. Just waiting until I got enough experience with > them to > >> >> > talk to the List and my customers about them. I tried the HIDs > first and > >> >> > they worked kinda sorta. If you have low voltage problem at the > >> >> > headlights, the HIDs will refuse to come on. :-( Since lots of > Vanagons > >> >> > have this issue and the light from them is very glaringly not > stock, I have > >> >> > decided that HIDs are a bad choice for the Vanagon although they > do put out > >> >> > a lot of light. There is the strange issue that the high beams on > the HIDs > >> >> > are still halogens too. Yeah weird. > >> >> > > >> >> > The LEDs seem to be the best option and I have found some bulbs > that seem > >> >> > to work well, and not really have much of a down side. I know > folks are > >> >> > switching over to the H4 round lights and that is fine and dandy > but there > >> >> > will always be those of us that actually like the square headlight > look, > >> >> > but want more light. Since the H4 squares have been off the scene > for a > >> >> > while now, going with an LED bulb in place of the crappy 9004 bulb > in the > >> >> > DOT housing is something I wanted to try out. I am probably going > to do a > >> >> > video on it on my Youtube channel in the near future and compare > with the > >> >> > stock DOT lights. Then we are going to be selling the LED bulbs > through > >> >> > our site at that point, so if you are interested let me know. > They will be > >> >> > in the $60 range for a pair of bulbs, which isn't too bad for > something > >> >> > that is pretty much a drop in replacement. Yes it is alot more > than the > >> >> > stock bulbs but something that actually puts out a nice light and > isn't as > >> >> > touchy about voltage, unloads the headlight switch without > relays. There > >> >> > are lots of pluses. > >> >> > > >> >> > Ken Wilford > >> >> > John 3:16 > >> >> > www.vanagain.com > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Alistair, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> please also report any oncoming traffic that feels blinded by > your LEDs. > >> >> >> This is mostly the reason why police stops you with > non-streetlegal > >> >> >> bulbs...in Germany. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks > >> >> >> Raimund > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> Am 17.01.2017 um 15:05 schrieb Johann Koenig: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Just picked up 7" LED buckets: > >> >> >>> > http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_2564_141/led_headlight_pair.html > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Have not installed yet but when I stopped by to pick them up > yesterday the > >> >> >>> staff said they are very good. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On Jan 16, 2017 11:40 PM, "Alistair Bell" <albell@shaw.ca> > wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I had to try, the bulbs looked like they would work. And did > they? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> See here on my blog > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > https://shufti.blog/2017/01/16/vanagon-h4-led-light-bulb-experiment/ > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Wasn't a complete waste of time and money, it was interesting. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Alistair > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> > Ken Wilford > >> >> > John 3:16 > >> >> > www.vanagain.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thanks, > >> > Ken Wilford > >> > John 3:16 > >> > www.vanagain.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Ken Wilford > > John 3:16 > > www.vanagain.com >


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