Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 01:08:10 +0000
Reply-To: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Replacing the starter on my 87 Westy
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Adding a relay to a starter circuit that travels 15 feet to a weak switch
through a small wire is not exactly heresy. If you can't figure out what's
wrong with a relay setup when something goes wrong, then no, a relay is not
for you. But if you can it is an improvement. If you buy into the argument
that anything you add to the system is overwrought complexity, then walk
and dispense with the car altogether. Don't dissuade people from trying to
make their cars more dependable just because you have trouble with a
workable solution.
Jim
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 7:00 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I love the way you described this, John. It SEEMS to add reliability, but
> when things go wrong makes things just CRAZY complex to figure out! Just
> go with minimum of RELIABLE components, if possible; don't add layer upon
> layer to try to get reliability. Stout, good stuff; good basics (like
> shiny electrical connections well protected by grease and all).
> I went for Karl Mullendore's adapter with a Bosch TDI starter on my Subie
> 2.2 motor; starts every time now, in all conditions. And that's a high
> compression motor.
>
> I read about the GoWesty gear reduction starter--it's a solid contender
> too.
> BTW...when having starter grief, I bought a "hard start relay kit",
> desperate for a solution. Man, I drove from Missouri to San Diego, never
> ever being sure if I could start my van; many downhill "bump starts". Many
> nights parked in campgrounds parked "slightly" downhill....you know what I
> mean.
>
> Once I thought it all through however, I went with what I described
> above. The hard start kit sits on the garage shelf....anybody want it?!!
> Ha-ha!!
> DON'T go for band-aids; just fix it once and be done with it.
>
> Rich
> San Diego
>
> From: John Rodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Replacing the starter on my 87 Westy
>
> Regards this hard start kit or any other electrical add on - an old axiom
> from Dennis Haynes that really applies , THE MORE YOU AD ON, THE MORE THAT
> CAN GO WRONG. Always keep that in mind when planning upgrades.
>
> We always had a similar axion when flying, - in a single engine plane, you
> have a single chance for engine failure. In a twin engine airplane you have
> twice the chance for engine failure, and getting on the ground safely is
> not the same. There's a completely different set of perameters between
> single engine and twin engine safety. But for Vanagons, if it's a critical
> system failure , get off the road and park, til you figure it out. But you
> WILL have more to check out if you have modified your van!
>
> John
>
> On Jan 21, 2017 18:07, "Dan N" <dn92610@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a gear reduction starter few months ago .. it's too young to tell
> the difference...
>
> anyway whatever starter you put in I'd recommend this kit...
>
> http://www.t3technique.com/electrical/deluxe-hard-start-relay-kit.html
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