Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:36:50 -0400
Reply-To: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Don't yell at me but I tried led H4
In-Reply-To: <78DF87E9-F9A1-4ED0-94C4-5D0DC4C9F8F4@shaw.ca>
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I'll bet you a t'ousand dollar it's uncontrolled stray light.
Yrs,
d
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes I'm still running those bulbs. Just as an aside, my full write ups on
> my blog (https://shufti.blog/ and use the search box on the right with
> search terms h4 led) goes into detail why I chose those particular units.
>
> I'm fairly happy with the bulbs and the light produced. But there are
> drawbacks and they might be due to the nature of the light produced by the
> leds. I've said over and over that the low beam light is great, I like it a
> lot.
> But the high beams seem not to have the penetrative ability that halogens
> have. During the winter months when it was often rainy and misty, I found
> that the led lights "blow back" more than halogens. Not to an extent that
> it makes them unusable but it is noticeable. Didn't find it an issue in
> falling snow though.
>
> I'm thinking it must be related to the wavelength range that the leds
> produce. Maybe the other noticeable difference I found is related, and that
> is reflective road side signs really reflect. I mean really :-)
>
> A side note. I'm slightly involved with a log boom dozer boat ( a
> sidewinder) outfitting. The other day I had to do some mods on the
> auxiliary lights mounted on the cabin top. I asked the guy in charge why
> they are halogen units and not led. He said the operators hate the led aux
> lights, to much light blow back in rain and fog. So it seems I'm not alone
> seeing that effect.
>
> I'm keeping the led units in my lamps. I have halogen h4 auxiliary lamps
> on my bumper mounted light bar that I can use when it is foggy.
>
>
> Alistair
>
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Poppie Jagersand <poppie.jagersand@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm planning to try LED headlights. I already have the 7" Hella H4
> buckets, so just need bulbs.
> >
> > Alistair, I was curious how your H4 LED bulbs have held up over the past
> months? Is the light output the same? Some years ago I bought LED tail
> light bulbs for the Westy. They were bright initially, but dimmed within a
> year. Have had same problems with some other LED bulbs.
> >
> > What are others long-term experiences with LED headlights? I calculated
> that over 100,000km switching to LED would save about $200 in gas (assuming
> 70% efficient alternator and specific fuel consumption of the engine at
> 300g/kWh). So converting my Westy and the wifes Toyota Matrix would
> potentially save $400 - price of bulbs.
> >
> > Martin ('82 Westy 1.9TD and '85 Westy gas)
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:20 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stacy,
> >
> > The bottom line with what I tested, is that I like the low beam
> illumination and the reduced power draw. I don't like the perceived
> reduction in high beam distance illumination as compared to 100 W halogens
> ( or even the stock halogens in my friend's Ducato, you can barely make out
> that in the pics), the radio interference ( on weak stations) and that the
> lamps probably will not melt snow from the front lens.
> >
> > Oh, the other thing is the brilliant recollection from reflective road
> side signs. This is more of a getting used to it effect than a negative,
> but boy oh boy it's initially annoying.
> >
> > Alistair
> >
> > > On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Stacy Schneider <vwcrewman@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alistar
> > >
> > > Thanks for being the Gui*ea pig here. I run the HID
> in in my camper and 60/100 Halogen in my Non DOT lights in truck and like
> both in different ways. Always looking at a better option.
> > > Interesting comment about there not being enough
> heat to melt the ice during cold spells. We don't have that issue here
> unless we go to cold country. I guess now someone has to step up and buy
> the Real Mc Coy and see how well they work.
> > >
> > >
> Stayc
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> > >> Kenneth,
> > >>
> > >> Are the similar in form factor to the ones I posted on my blog? The
> link to the source is also on the blog post.
> > >>
> > >> Are they passively cooled or do they have a fan?
> > >>
> > >> And do they interfere with weak radio signals or communication radio?
> > >>
> > >> Btw, The bulbs come with adapters to fit H4, H7, H11, 9005, 9006.
> > >>
> > >> Alistair
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:05 AM, kenneth wilford (Van-Again) <
> kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I have been experimenting with LED and HID bulbs in the square
> headlights
> > >> > for a while now. Just waiting until I got enough experience with
> them to
> > >> > talk to the List and my customers about them. I tried the HIDs
> first and
> > >> > they worked kinda sorta. If you have low voltage problem at the
> > >> > headlights, the HIDs will refuse to come on. :-( Since lots of
> Vanagons
> > >> > have this issue and the light from them is very glaringly not
> stock, I have
> > >> > decided that HIDs are a bad choice for the Vanagon although they do
> put out
> > >> > a lot of light. There is the strange issue that the high beams on
> the HIDs
> > >> > are still halogens too. Yeah weird.
> > >> >
> > >> > The LEDs seem to be the best option and I have found some bulbs
> that seem
> > >> > to work well, and not really have much of a down side. I know
> folks are
> > >> > switching over to the H4 round lights and that is fine and dandy
> but there
> > >> > will always be those of us that actually like the square headlight
> look,
> > >> > but want more light. Since the H4 squares have been off the scene
> for a
> > >> > while now, going with an LED bulb in place of the crappy 9004 bulb
> in the
> > >> > DOT housing is something I wanted to try out. I am probably going
> to do a
> > >> > video on it on my Youtube channel in the near future and compare
> with the
> > >> > stock DOT lights. Then we are going to be selling the LED bulbs
> through
> > >> > our site at that point, so if you are interested let me know. They
> will be
> > >> > in the $60 range for a pair of bulbs, which isn't too bad for
> something
> > >> > that is pretty much a drop in replacement. Yes it is alot more
> than the
> > >> > stock bulbs but something that actually puts out a nice light and
> isn't as
> > >> > touchy about voltage, unloads the headlight switch without relays.
> There
> > >> > are lots of pluses.
> > >> >
> > >> > Ken Wilford
> > >> > John 3:16
> > >> > www.vanagain.com
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de>
> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Alistair,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> please also report any oncoming traffic that feels blinded by your
> LEDs.
> > >> >> This is mostly the reason why police stops you with non-streetlegal
> > >> >> bulbs...in Germany.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks
> > >> >> Raimund
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Am 17.01.2017 um 15:05 schrieb Johann Koenig:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Just picked up 7" LED buckets:
> > >> >>> http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_2564_141/led_
> headlight_pair.html
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Have not installed yet but when I stopped by to pick them up
> yesterday the
> > >> >>> staff said they are very good.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Jan 16, 2017 11:40 PM, "Alistair Bell" <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I had to try, the bulbs looked like they would work. And did they?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> See here on my blog
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> https://shufti.blog/2017/01/16/vanagon-h4-led-light-bulb-
> experiment/
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Wasn't a complete waste of time and money, it was interesting.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Alistair
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Ken Wilford
> > >> > John 3:16
> > >> > www.vanagain.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > 1989 Swedish Tristar with Aluminum gates and Atiwe 16" Wheels.
> > > Oldest son is an Eagle scout.
> >
> >
>
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