Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:12:49 -0400
Reply-To: "kenneth wilford (Van-Again)" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
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From: "kenneth wilford (Van-Again)" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Don't yell at me but I tried led H4
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Alistair it isn't a perfect solution, I understand that, however it is
better than the other alternatives in my opinion (weak headlights with
stock, installing higher wattage halogens in the DOT housings with the tiny
9004 plug pins, or frankensteining in some H4 housings from another car).
You will see an improvement in night driving with the LED bulbs that we
sell. As you said in a perfect world you would be putting H4 LED bulbs
into an E-code housing. But that isn't an option at the moment.
However in the future (hopefully within the next year or so) the E-code
square headlight housings will be available again! One of my suppliers is
making them. The last I heard they were in the prototype stage. If I get
my hands on some to test, you will know about it right away. I have no
idea what the price point is going to be and the quality level of them
either. We will just have to wait and see.
Ken
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hey Pete,
>
> I'm leery about any drop in led bulb in the rectangular lamp set up. (
> sorry Ken).
>
> I'll make the assumption you have the common DOT versions of those lamps
> and my opinion is that the lens pattern in those are not suitable for the
> led drop ins.
>
> You know I made a point a few times in my blog posts about how I wanted a
> led unit that had the led elements located and positioned the same as the
> halogen filaments. I know that physically it won't be the same, the halogen
> filament is suspended in space and the light radiates more or less fully
> around. The led elements have to be mounted on a heat sink substrate and so
> even if located in the same approx position in the lamp, the pattern of
> light output will differ.
>
> But that said, I found that the units I used did do a very good job in
> recreating the light beam pattern when in the E code lamps I have. The
> sharp low beam cut off was there.
>
> And IMHO, having that sharp low beam cut off is paramount. The led lights
> are bright at low low beam, no sharp cut off will produce stray light and
> glare . Other drivers will not thank you.
>
> So I'm going to say, don't do it with the DOT rectangular lamps.
>
> Alistair
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Peter Kote <pkote@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> >
> > I'm most interested in the LED inserts available to drop in to our
> rectangular lamps including the H3 for the driving lights.
> > yes, i have rectangular lamps and would love to just insert something to
> give me a better light than the standard. Not concerned with the brightest
> and don't wish to switch to the round or spend a lot of time or money.
> > Alistair, would love to know what you would recommend to a
> non-mechanical owner who hardly drives at night :-)?pete 90 Westy
> >
> > On Sunday, June 11, 2017 7:44 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > you have experimented with a lot of than as you say, please list the
> models, the tests, the results.
> > If you have pictures of beam patterns etc, as I did with the H4 led
> units shown on my blog, please post.
> >
> > Alistair
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 11, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Many choices for LED headlamps are becoming available. Thanks to the
> Jeep and motorcycle crowd there are many round headlight assemblies to
> choose from. There are even some that have the original headlight look to
> them. There also LED inserts available to drop in to our rectangular lamps
> including the H3 for the driving lights. I have experimented with a lot of
> them over the past 6 months. I now have two choices for each that work very
> well.
> >> Most are in the 5000K to 6000K color temperature. At first id didn't
> like the color but I realized how much that color reflects off objects.
> Street and highway signs actually glow yet the hot spot does not glare cars
> in front or oncoming with the low beams.
> >> A real advantage is the reduced power draw. They do still seem a bit
> affected by voltage drops. They do have the potential for electrical noise
> and most of the inserts for 9004 have fans. For the H3 fan units will not
> fit on the driver's side so you need the ones with ribbons. For most, the
> fit-seal to the housing is poor so some sealant is needed. Avoid the
> Can-Bus units the Vanagon don’t need.
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf Of kenneth wilford (Van-Again)
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 4:48 PM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Re: Don't yell at me but I tried led H4
> >>
> >> I actually found what I think is a great solution for the 7" rounds.
> You can see them at the link here and there are some videos of my
> experience with them:
> >>
> >> https://www.vanagain.com/shop/7-inch-round-led-vanagon-headlight-set/
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 4:06 PM, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That's good to know. In that case, I suspect too much blue component.
> >>> White LEDs are really blue LEDs with a yellow phosphor on top.
> >>>
> >>> Yrs,
> >>> d
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Nope, and I have the pics to prove that. I can't detect any
> >>>> significant stray light when compared to halogens when I shine on
> wall.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alistair
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 8:36 AM, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll bet you a t'ousand dollar it's uncontrolled stray light.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yrs,
> >>>> d
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes I'm still running those bulbs. Just as an aside, my full write
> >>>>> ups
> >>> on
> >>>>> my blog (https://shufti.blog/ and use the search box on the right
> >>>>> with search terms h4 led) goes into detail why I chose those
> >>>>> particular
> >>> units.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm fairly happy with the bulbs and the light produced. But there
> >>>>> are drawbacks and they might be due to the nature of the light
> >>>>> produced by
> >>> the
> >>>>> leds. I've said over and over that the low beam light is great, I
> >>>>> like
> >>> it a
> >>>>> lot.
> >>>>> But the high beams seem not to have the penetrative ability that
> >>> halogens
> >>>>> have. During the winter months when it was often rainy and misty, I
> >>> found
> >>>>> that the led lights "blow back"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ken Wilford
> >> John 3:16
> >> www.vanagain.com
> >
> >
>
--
Thanks,
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
www.vanagain.com
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