Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:46:46 +0000
Reply-To:     Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Bosch "premium" rebuilt starter appears to be built from
              non-Bosch parts!?!
Comments: To: David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net>
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I presume you guys are talking about your experiences with gas-engine
rebuilt Bosch starters, but it was the same with the diesel type for a long
time. It got to the point where it almost wasn't worth installing them. I
would take any I found be rebuilt at a good local auto electric repair
shop, but even then where were parts they could't get anymore. At one point
I caved in and ordered an expensive Bosch rebuild. It lasted 18 months. By
this time, knowing what was inevitably coming, I had already traded for a
couple of used OEM starters to be rebuilt. When I took them to the shop,
the owner suggested I look at one of his gear reduction starters. It was a
lot cheaper than the Bosch rebuild, and it works better. Not a single
hiccup in the year or so it's been on the car.

It's just a matter of time before these are available for gas vanagons, no
doubt. Keep your eyes open for them. They are smaller and thus easier to
install, too.

Jim

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:23 AM David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote:

> I spent a long time chasing this down years ago.  In the US under Federal
> law, in automotive usage the terms "rebuilt" and "remanufactured" are
> legally identical.  They both mean broken items repaired, wear items
> renewed or not at rebuilder's discretion.  And "factory rebuilt" means
> rebuilt in a factory.  Any factory.
>
> In machine tool industry (not codified in law so far as I know) "rebuilt"
> means brought back to original condition as it was when first built; and
> "remanufactured" means brought to condition as though it were built today,
> with all upgrades and specification changes that had occurred in the mean
> time.
>
> Yrs,
> d
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've always been curious about the difference between "rebuilt" and
> > "remanufactured".
> >
>