Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:07:32 -0700
Reply-To: Sean Garrett <doit.outdoors@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Sean Garrett <doit.outdoors@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: No Start & Sliding door handle'
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Yes a very good chance. Replace the lock cylinder and the electronic piece attached to it. If I recall correctly the electronic piece is the part with the spring in it. I might be wrong, however it's a maintenance item to replace them both as they wear out.
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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Laura Mangan <laurakmangan@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> So i will admit that farming keeps me entirely too busy.
> I have not done much for investigating my NO START situation.
> Yesterday, I tried to start it, just for the heck of it, and it occurred to
> me , that it could be the lock cylinder. (i think thats what its called,
> when the key is placed and turned to start the van)
>
> I had some plugs replaced in there a while ago, and the mechanic told me
> that it may fail soon, it looks a little sketchy.
>
> But, anyway, what i noticed when i turned the key yesterday, is that it
> goes from OFF position over to lights up on dashboard, but then it
> seemingly stops. I fell like i remember there being a little resistance, at
> which point a firm twist would crank the engine over. Now, nothing. the key
> just turns all the way to a firm stop position, with no attempt to turn
> over.
>
>
> Is there a chance it could the lock cylinder, and how can i possibly
> troubleshoot this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Clueless as usual
>
> Laura
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Laura Mangan <laurakmangan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks George, I'll check it out.
>>
>> Haven't had time yet. But I'll let you know how it goes.
>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2017 12:45 PM, "George Gaudette" <gcgaudette@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Laura,
>>>
>>> It came to my attention that the link I sent only worked temporarily.
>>> Here is the URL YouTube provides for sharing:
>>> https://youtu.be/9HkA1GYQnvY
>>> (title: "VW T3: Westfalia starter removal", posted by "Thomas EXOVCDS")
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Laura Mangan <laurakmangan@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will have to check this out! Thanks George. I do hear the fuel pump.
>>> I replaced the fuel pump in March also. (well, a stellar shop in Charlotte
>>> NC did)
>>>>
>>>> So, i am hearing buzzing (oil light) when i put the key in the
>>> ignition, the dash is illuminated, and when i turn the key over.... I hear
>>> the fuel pump whirl, but not even the slightest attempt at a crank (turning
>>> over)
>>>>
>>>> I'll crawl underneath when i have time and inspect the starter. hope
>>> all is okay under there (its brand new as of March)
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:12 AM, George Gaudette <gcgaudette@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura. I just went through a no-start situation myself, and am not
>>>>> mechanically experienced. The problem was the starter, and this video
>>> was
>>>>> helpful in getting me familiar with the starter and how to access it:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HkA1GYQnvY&t=258s
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see the starter wire connection at the solenoid (that Jim and
>>> Jason
>>>>> mentioned) at 4:10, when it gets pulled off. Point being that if
>>> you're
>>>>> are willing and able to get under your van with a flashlight -- **
>>> never
>>>>> with the van supported by only a jack ** -- whether or not that wire
>>> fell
>>>>> off is something you could check for free. You can see it without
>>> removing
>>>>> stuff if you're patient looking for it. Just be careful what you
>>> touch,
>>>>> live wires there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm curious if you hear the fuel pump whiz when you turn the key to
>>> Start?
>>>>>
>>>>> -George
>>>>> '90 Westy Camper Automatic
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel like mine could totally fall off at any moment!
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Jason <uberhare@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In usually give the crimp a bit of squeeze while I'm changing one if
>>> that
>>>>>> wire is at all loose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>> Uberbus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017 8:01 PM, "Jim Arnott" <jrasite@eoni.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “The dash is lighting up, when i turn the key, it doesn't even try
>>> to
>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>> over….”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “New starter in March.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me? I’d look first that the wire from the key switch is attached
>>> to the
>>>>>>> solenoid. Mine has been known to fall off on occasion. Especially
>>> after
>>>>>>> messing with it. “New starter in March.” indicates ‘messed with.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Handle - Get another one. There’s one small screw that holds the
>>> lock
>>>>>>> cylinder. Remove it, exchange lock cylinders, replace it. All
>>> done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Dennis Haynes <
>>> d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There can be a number of reasons for a "no crank" situation on
>>> any car.
>>>>>>> Having a known good battery is the first place to "start"! Part of
>>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> to have a meter and know how to use it to test voltage at the
>>> battery and
>>>>>>> other places while trying to crank it. From remote folks here can
>>> suggest
>>>>>>> many different things to look at but without some knowledge and
>>> tools you
>>>>>>> are simply replacing parts until it runs. So here are some places
>>> to
>>>>>> start:
>>>>>>>> Battery, to know it is good it needs to be load tested. A good
>>> auto
>>>>>>> parts store may have one. Having 12 volts at rest does not mean it
>>> will
>>>>>>> work when you ask it to produce 200 amps.
>>>>>>>> Starter- it is common for the Bosch units to have bad brushes or
>>>>>>> solenoids making them intermittent.
>>>>>>>> Ignition switch and wiring. Many have added boost relays to get
>>> past
>>>>>>> these problems. If automatic the neutral switch is also suspect.
>>>>>>>> Battery and ground cables. They can look good and not be! Again,
>>>>>> testing
>>>>>>> under load.
>>>>>>>> Horror of horrors! Something wrong with engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since it ran before it sat the battery is suspect and so is a
>>> used one.
>>>>>>> Batteries don’t tolerate neglect and letting them discharge and go
>>> dead
>>>>>>> especially in winter will destroy them. If new battery doesn’t do
>>> it then
>>>>>>> consider you may have a bad starter. Was it installed at a shop?
>>>>>> Warranty?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Laura Mangan
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>>>> Subject: No Start & Sliding door handle'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> '85 1.9L Vanagon
>>>>>>>> Potter Co. North Central PA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My van wont start....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All was well when i last drove it (admittedly, almost a month
>>> ago) Now,
>>>>>>> it wont start. I tried to jump start it, And no luck. took the
>>> battery to
>>>>>>> NAPA, and turns out, one of the cells or something, is fried. Okay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, i have another newish battery, i try that... No luck. Try to
>>> jump
>>>>>>> start with the new battery. Nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, i take the battery out, put it on a trickle charger to make
>>> sure
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> charged. Yep. No luck, once again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dash is lighting up, when i turn the key, it doesn't even
>>> try to
>>>>>>> turn over....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New starter in March.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also..... My exterior sliding door handle broke off beyond the
>>> key
>>>>>> hole.
>>>>>>>> So, locking mechanism is functional, but i cannot open it from
>>> the
>>>>>>> outside.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Short of replacing the entire unit (and getting another key)
>>> what can i
>>>>>>> do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopeless and not even a slight bit mechanically inclined,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Jason <uberhare@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In usually give the crimp a bit of squeeze while I'm changing one if
>>> that
>>>>>> wire is at all loose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>> Uberbus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017 8:01 PM, "Jim Arnott" <jrasite@eoni.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “The dash is lighting up, when i turn the key, it doesn't even try
>>> to
>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>> over….”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “New starter in March.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me? I’d look first that the wire from the key switch is attached
>>> to the
>>>>>>> solenoid. Mine has been known to fall off on occasion. Especially
>>> after
>>>>>>> messing with it. “New starter in March.” indicates ‘messed with.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Handle - Get another one. There’s one small screw that holds the
>>> lock
>>>>>>> cylinder. Remove it, exchange lock cylinders, replace it. All
>>> done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Dennis Haynes <
>>> d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There can be a number of reasons for a "no crank" situation on
>>> any car.
>>>>>>> Having a known good battery is the first place to "start"! Part of
>>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> to have a meter and know how to use it to test voltage at the
>>> battery and
>>>>>>> other places while trying to crank it. From remote folks here can
>>> suggest
>>>>>>> many different things to look at but without some knowledge and
>>> tools you
>>>>>>> are simply replacing parts until it runs. So here are some places
>>> to
>>>>>> start:
>>>>>>>> Battery, to know it is good it needs to be load tested. A good
>>> auto
>>>>>>> parts store may have one. Having 12 volts at rest does not mean it
>>> will
>>>>>>> work when you ask it to produce 200 amps.
>>>>>>>> Starter- it is common for the Bosch units to have bad brushes or
>>>>>>> solenoids making them intermittent.
>>>>>>>> Ignition switch and wiring. Many have added boost relays to get
>>> past
>>>>>>> these problems. If automatic the neutral switch is also suspect.
>>>>>>>> Battery and ground cables. They can look good and not be! Again,
>>>>>> testing
>>>>>>> under load.
>>>>>>>> Horror of horrors! Something wrong with engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since it ran before it sat the battery is suspect and so is a
>>> used one.
>>>>>>> Batteries don’t tolerate neglect and letting them discharge and go
>>> dead
>>>>>>> especially in winter will destroy them. If new battery doesn’t do
>>> it then
>>>>>>> consider you may have a bad starter. Was it installed at a shop?
>>>>>> Warranty?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Laura Mangan
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>>>> Subject: No Start & Sliding door handle'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> '85 1.9L Vanagon
>>>>>>>> Potter Co. North Central PA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My van wont start....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All was well when i last drove it (admittedly, almost a month
>>> ago) Now,
>>>>>>> it wont start. I tried to jump start it, And no luck. took the
>>> battery to
>>>>>>> NAPA, and turns out, one of the cells or something, is fried. Okay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, i have another newish battery, i try that... No luck. Try to
>>> jump
>>>>>>> start with the new battery. Nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, i take the battery out, put it on a trickle charger to make
>>> sure
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> charged. Yep. No luck, once again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dash is lighting up, when i turn the key, it doesn't even
>>> try to
>>>>>>> turn over....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New starter in March.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also..... My exterior sliding door handle broke off beyond the
>>> key
>>>>>> hole.
>>>>>>>> So, locking mechanism is functional, but i cannot open it from
>>> the
>>>>>>> outside.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Short of replacing the entire unit (and getting another key)
>>> what can i
>>>>>>> do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopeless and not even a slight bit mechanically inclined,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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