Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 07:50:01 -0400
Reply-To: "kenneth wilford (Van-Again)" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
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From: "kenneth wilford (Van-Again)" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Fuel Line Replacement Kits Galore!
In-Reply-To: <93422e70-d5f4-7131-11b5-5c0b68c22893@williamsitconsulting.com>
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No problem. As I have said in the past, being one of the first to offer
one of these kits (I believe we were the first since the topic kept coming
up here, and I decided to do something about it), gives me lots of
experience with the subject. We have installed many of these kits here at
Van-Again over the years. I experimented with different hose, and also
different types of clamps (as did VW over the course of the Vanagon models
life span as a new vehicle for sale at a VW dealership). VW started out
with band clamps kind of like the ABA style. They leaked. Then they moved
to crimp style clamps (they leaked as well). Then on to a recall where
they installed spring type clamps (they leaked the worst!). I use german
worm drive clamps that have raised edges and also the zerba drive part is
also raised so that it will not cut the hose. They hold very well and
don't loosen or leak over time. All of the other versions will because of
expansion and contraction. VW found this out the hard way and that is why
they changed their clamp styles 3 times and never hit on one that worked
properly.
Ken
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Steve Williams <
steve@williamsitconsulting.com> wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> Not sure if you are on the Vanagon Owners Facebook group.
>
> I just reposted your email to this group to the Facebook post.
>
> Someone there was recommending the Gates hose to someone who had just
> bought a van.
>
> I wouldn't normally cross post without permission, but your email has some
> very good information in it. This email list is "kind of" public, as is
> the Facebook group (subscription only). I felt that the risk of doing a
> bad job on fuel line replacement outweight my being uncomfortable sharing
> your information.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/154433611260033/permalink/1402712046432177
>
> I hope you are OK with this.
>
> Thanks for all your service over the years, your videos and your input :)
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Williams
>
>
>
> On 18/08/2017 1:44 PM, kenneth wilford (Van-Again) wrote:
>
>> Gates hose is not good. It is never the correct size either. So the
>> multi
>> fuel hose that some folks on thesamba harp about is a size too big and
>> will
>> possibly leak for that reason.
>>
>> We have sold German hose in our kits from the beginning. It will stand up
>> the modern fuels no problem. I have installed the kits and then 10 years
>> later, had a chance to remove the kits and look them over and they are
>> still in fine shape. The hose is Continental hose. There is also Flennor
>> out there which is multi fuel and has a plastic lining. It is the correct
>> size too. However it is very difficult to install and I wonder if it will
>> hold properly because of the plastic lining not really having the same
>> properties as rubber.
>>
>> Now for the gas tank kits we have transitioned away from Continental
>> braided hose (which was factory) to Flennor multi fuel hose. It seems to
>> install nicely and it isn't under the pressure of the high pressure hose.
>> It should hold up much better than the Continental hose because that was
>> failing due to cracking every four or five years due to the Ethanol gas
>> fumes. The actually ethanol gas in liquid form, seems to play nice with
>> the rubber. That is why you can have your rubber fuel lines in the engine
>> bay and it isn't an issue. But when you have the fumes from the Ethanol
>> gas, it will eat away at the rubber fuel lines so we have moved to the
>> plastic lined, Flennor (German) multi fuel hose for that application.
>>
>> This is all after much research, using the products in the real world for
>> years and years. We were the first company to come up with the fuel line
>> kits back in the day. I think we still offer the best version because I
>> am
>> always taking feed back and I update the kits as needed. There is a
>> reason
>> for every part in the kit that we supply. My end result is something that
>> is going to last and give you folks safe miles down the road.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ken Wilford
>> www.vanagain.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Chris S <szpejankowski@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> BMW dealer sells FI hose in 7x3 size. This is very, very good stuff. I had
>>> bad experiences with some vendor-sold and even some Gates "fuel rated"
>>> hoses. Not going there again.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Ken Wilford
>> John 3:16
>> www.vanagain.com
>>
>
>
--
Thanks,
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
www.vanagain.com
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