Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 16:50:27 -0400
Reply-To: Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: last tire question (from me)(14x6 VW alu wheel)
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hindsight. And yes, you advised a few times to go larger.
Karl.
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> The center caps for the alloy wheels should fit. The trick is up front
> they have to be on the wheel before it is installed on the vehicle. If not
> it would have been easier to purchase a set of later bearing caps. For not
> too much more I could have set you up with a set of 16 or 17 inch wheels
> and some nice performance tires.
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Karl Ploessl [mailto:karl.ploessl@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2017 2:52 PM
> *To:* Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* vanagon@gerry. vanagon. com <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: last tire question (from me)(14x6 VW alu wheel)
>
>
>
> so finally got my tires mounted. Decided to go with Hankook RA18 195R-14C
> (Vredestein Comtrac All Season are not available anymore and new production
> might be in spring 2018). Got Carat wheels (VW 14 x 6) used and thought all
> is well. BUT no. Turns out that the lips of the grease caps on the front
> did not clear the hub of the wheels (that's on AC '81). Oh well. Shop
> grounded the lips down and could mount them. So altogether: $440.00 for
> tires, $100 + $80.00 for shipping for rims, centercaps (4X $16.95), $83 for
> mounting etc and $220.00 for grinding lips (labor). A grand total of
> $990.80. Expensive endeavour. Looking back maybe 15 inch would have been
> better? But my Agilis 61 lasted 15 years and they had bad cracks now
> (looked scary after I discovered them).
>
>
>
> Karl.
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>
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:14 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Some things based on knowledge and experiences. Especially when it comes
> to tire applications and designs. Particularly with front heavy and front
> wheel drive vehicles the "wisdom" was the better tires go on the front.
> Depending on circumstances there can be some advantages. Usually though the
> idea was put the better tires up front since they will usually wear faster.
> Lets' face it, is we start off with a new set and we do regular rotations,
> at the first rotation the worn more front tires will go on the back. Part
> of the concept with proper rotation is to keep the wear difference to a
> point that it is negligible.
>
> The change with putting the better tires on the rear has more to do with
> sudden loss of traction then emergency maneuvers. Hydroplaning or
> unexpected loss of rear control at speeds will often result in a spin out
> which at high speeds on congested roads often means a multicar wreck. As
> for emergency maneuvers or "handling" characteristics things have already
> gone wrong at the point this is used and usually the root cause is someone
> doing something really wrong or losing control.
>
> Many states have added tire replacements to the law books. The rules can
> get a little complicated. Some consider remaining tread depth and the
> difference in depth between the oil and new tire pair. While not likely
> that anyone will inspect your tires and take you out of service, in the
> event of a serious accident one should expect that all vehicles involved
> will be impounded and investigated for their role in the event.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of Karl Ploessl
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 7:54 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: last tire question (from me)(14x6 VW alu wheel)
>
> interesting. Just browsing my Bentley 80 - 91/Vehicle Care, page 18: "The
> tires with the deepest tread should always be mounted on the front tires".
>
> Karl.
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Dug Smith <dug@dugbert.com> wrote:
>
> > Really? I've always been told new tyres should go on the rear.
> >
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> >
> > On Thu 10/12 2017 08:59, David McNeely wrote:
> >
> >> Every recommendation I read from tire manufacturers, sellers,
> >> independent agencies, government agencies, says that if you run one
> >> older pair and one newer pair of tires, the newer pair (or the pair
> >> with the most tread, actually), should be on the front. Is there a
> >> particular reason you are doing the opposite?
> >>
> >> Back in the day, I was taught to do like you. The reasoning was that
> >> the greater stopping power being on the rear prevented the rear
> >> overrunning the front when in an emergency stop. But the
> >> recommendations I read now say that empirical evidence is that in
> >> serious accidents, poorer tires on the front is often the cause.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying this as an expert. I'm just repeating what I get from
> >> those who claim to be.
> >>
> > toodle pip,
> > --
> > Dug Smith | Terry Pratchett: It's almost
> > (mailto:dug@dugbert.com) | impossible to ride a rock and roll
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