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Date:         Sun, 7 Jan 2018 08:44:23 -0600
Reply-To:     Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <>
From:         Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Clamshell toolbox
Comments: To: KI4TLF <>
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If we were that concerned about crash safety, we'd be driving eurovans! Eeew! No airbags, minimal crumple zones. We die like men! Ha!

On Jan 6, 2018 11:03 PM, "KI4TLF" <> wrote:


That’s similar to the one that I saw, but in the "read more" section it had a link to a report on the design of the crash zone structure of the T3. It explained the spare tire was part of the lower crash structure by transferring the load in a standard crash to the front suspension structure. That’s shown starting at 1.20 in the first video you listed.


-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [] On Behalf Of Stuart MacMillan Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 6:37 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Clamshell toolbox

I think the spare tire idea came from this crash test video. See 1:20: This video explains the front absorption zone structure and the reinforcing in the front and in the doors, and doesn't show a spare tire. The Vanagon is pretty safe, except for the lack of an air bag. Also see 1:20: v=Iwa9vdq8dvw


-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [] On Behalf Of Alistair Bell Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 1:58 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Clamshell toolbox

I have to think that it doesn’t have any real effect on crash worthiness. It seems like poor design by vw to have a removable item being important to crash protection.

Poor design is an understatement, the legal liability issue is obvious.


> On Jan 6, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Ralph Meyermann <> wrote: > > I figure a tool box filled with tools is better than no tire at all. Safer that a propane tank I'd think. > >> On Jan 6, 2018 3:26 PM, "Alistair Bell" <> wrote: >> You have any documentation backing this up? It’s interesting subject, perhaps the owners manual has big warnings in it saying that spare must be in place all the time? >> >> Haven’t seen those warnings but maybe you have. Not being snarky, I truly would like to see the documentation. >> >> Alistair >> >> > On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Stacy Schneider <vwcrewman@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >> > >> > I would not drive a van without a spare tire up front. The tire is part of the crash worthiness of these vans. >> > I want all the protection I can get. Even if you have a rear mounted tire you can always leave the stock wheel in place. >> > >> > Stacy >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >> >> >> >> No pics yet, I have some of my original adapted one. The refined >> >> version should be lighter/cleaner looking and seal out the >> >> elements better. Weight depends on how much tools/parts you cram >> >> inside. Mine got kinda heavy for the 12day 3k mile West coast trip and back. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 6, 2018 1:09 PM, "Chris S" <> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I like the idea. Extra diesel fuel tank? My thought is that >> >>> anything heavy in spare tire cavity will be difficult to close. Got pics? >> >>> >> >>> Chris >> >>> >> >>>> Wiadomość napisana przez Ralph Meyermann >> >>>> <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM> w >> >>> dniu 06.01.2018, o godz. 10:34: >> >>>> >> >>>> Howdy Volks. After going with a rear spare tire carrier, I was >> >>>> pondering what to do with that available space. I ended up >> >>>> adapting my home made larger clamshell/tire carrier into a toolbox. I found it handy. >> >>> Currently I >> >>>> took it to my machine/Fab shop guys to make a refined design/prototype. >> >>>> Roughly 27"x 27" the front of it has 45° angles on the sides and 7" >> >>> tall. >> >>>> The first quote was $211. I went downs and verified a few >> >>>> design aspects including a better sealing surface for the lid and how it fastens down. >> >>> The >> >>>> first one/prototype is currently being built. Looking at >> >>>> $211-$250 final cost from machine shop, I don't know what >> >>>> shipping or anything could be yet. Hopefully It'll be what I >> >>>> envision and be able to have them >> >>> available >> >>>> for those with alternative spare tire carriers. Storage is worth >> >>>> it's weight in gold, Westy or tin top. >> >>>

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