Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 13:09:15 -0500
Reply-To: Eric Caron <eric.caron@ICLOUD.COM>
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From: Eric Caron <eric.caron@ICLOUD.COM>
Subject: Re: Engine thoughts--now Go Westy engine management system
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Thanks Neil, I didn’t see your post. Great info.
Can someone let me know about a few of the pieces I don’t understand?
list below from Neil.
New ECU
this would replace our aging and rebuilt units
New OBDII Scanner Compatible Data Connector
What info would this actually give us? Would it help identify problems with no start or other issues?
New Knock Control Unit
New Knock Sensor
I expect this helps with the engine performance
Vehicle Connections and Fuses
I have no idea what this could be replacing or improving
Coolant Temp Connector [Uses Original Coolant Sender]
OK just a connector
Engine Position Unit [Replaces Distributor]
This sounds like a major change
does this include Hall sensor and wires, and what else?
Fuel Pump Wires [Uses Original Fuel Pump]
ok, no real change
System Relays
I don’t know what this would replace
Chassis Ground
OK, just a new version of existing ground
Fuel Injector Connectors [Uses Original Fuel Injectors]
OK, Interesting, I’m hoping this gives stability to the system at least replacing important aging wiring.
New Coils [Coil On Plug Design]
I don’t know what coil on plug design means, any info out there?
Tachometer Adapter
OK, just a new connector
New Oxygen Sensor
OK, answers my earlier question, a new sensor needed.
A/C Connector
OK, I don’t have air conditioning but sounds like just a new connector
New Throttle Position Sensor
Rebuilt Throttle Body
Does rebuilt mean the same unit or a different design?
New MAF Sensor and Housing [Replaces Airflow Meter]
OK, answers my earlier question about AFM.
New MAP Sensor
What is the MAP sensor?
Power Steering Connectors
OK, just conectors
Idle Air Control (IAC) Valve Connector [Uses Original IAC Valve]
Is the original Idle Control valve usually fine or is this a weak area not adressed by the new management system?
What are the advantages to the system?
HP?
fuel economy?
reduced Polution?
Reliability?
What would be the impact on a existing 2.1 or even 1.9 engine?
Draw backs?
this is very helpfuL in understanding current systems and future considerations.
Eric Caron
n Jan 4, 2018, at 12:47, Eric Caron <eric.caron@ICLOUD.COM> wrote:
Hi all,
I wish I had better background but does this mean parts like the Distributer,Hall Sensor, ECU,, plug wires,Air flow meter, idle controller are replaced? Oxagen sensor?
I’m very interested but don’t have a complete understanding of all the components. Still it sounds like a great piece of info to understand going forward.
Eric Caron
On Jan 4, 2018, at 12:18, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
The GoWesty system takes care of fuel and spark delivery. Except for the pump, regulator, and injectors it replaces most everything.
Dennis
From 40F Barefoot Bay Fl.
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Subject: Re: Engine thoughts--now Go Westy engine management system
Hi folks,
What does the Engine management system do? What does it replace in the existing engine set up?
Eric Caron
On Jan 4, 2018, at 12:01, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
The Go Westy engine management system is available for pre-order, according to their January newsletter for $3000: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fy8q6km7e&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ad265d218c94aaff26b08d55396c1df%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636506829317822744&sdata=%2BJjhlzlGIEkOR9FcbQIwFjaUuXEkUvqLBmknUKoZJf4%3D&reserved=0
Here is the full link in case you don't trust shortened URLs: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gowesty.com%2Ftech-article-details.php%3Fid%3D149%26utm_source%3DGoWesty%2BCamper%2BProducts%2BList%26utm_campaign%3D67c5f4209d-GoWesty_January_2018_Newsletter%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_term%3D0_726f49c0f9-67c5f4209d-148703473%26ct%3Dt(GoWesty_January_2018_Newsletter)%26mc_cid%3D67c5f4209d%26mc_eid%3Da446ea9eff&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ad265d218c94aaff26b08d55396c1df%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636506829317978996&sdata=%2B0TQjQ2cChH%2FJudlD9t21QwkXWh6whzP8Kc45smY7fg%3D&reserved=0
They have done a great job, it's truly a modern EFI system, just like you would get with a Subaru conversion. You could add their big engine and I'm guessing the costs would be the same as a professional Subaru conversion when you include all the upgrades like exhaust, coolant pipes, shipping, etc., but you'd still have an obsolete push rod engine that's very inefficient and unreliable. Remember, power is inversely proportional to longevity.
Stuart
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Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 3:31 AM
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Subject: Re: Engine thoughts
GoWesty has published dyno horsepower and torque graphs comparing their engines to a stock 2.1 engine. Here is a link to the HP graph.
The dyno numbers look impressive and I would love to try a 2450cc setup.
The complete pricing details are not yet available afaik.
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gowesty.com%2Fimages%2Fec%2Fproducts%2Flarge%2Flarge_5177aeddd9a04ec1f7c6c276a6a61f5e.jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ad265d218c94aaff26b08d55396c1df%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636506829317978996&sdata=FcRHNdvmmDby2rRhNLPwwHxQHO2mQvZc%2FWRx9y0QXMw%3D&reserved=0
Note that it says the performance numbers for their engines are all when also using their new proprietary fuel injection system on them. They are not yet offering that new FI system so pricing isn't certain at this time. The only reason I'd even consider such a purchase is if it would be compliant with Calif smog rules, which it may well be.
Mark
Stephen Engel wrote:
> Yes, I read the GoWesty news. They are claiming the new 2.7 Liter WBX will produce 162 hp and 197 ft-lbs with 91 octane fuel. They don't say what engine rpm those numbers are achieved. No mention of its effect on stock drive train components either.
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> I'm more interested in the new engine management system, but it is rumored to be priced at $3000!
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> We will see what develops.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:20 PM, Eric Caron <eric.caron@ICLOUD.COM> wrote:
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>> Hi listers,
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>> Did anyone else read with interest about this new GW engine and fuel system management system?
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>> If I read correctly it said something like 80 percent more horse power.
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>> If the 2.1 had about 95 HP then does this new version of our engine have 171 hp?
>> That just can’t be right. Math is not my area.
>> It also talked about increased torque , so this new engine sounds like a beast.
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>> Anyone else read the description and have initial thoughts?
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>> Not something I need now but I do plan to keep my van forever so future options are being kept in mind.
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>> Then again by the time my 1.9 is done maybe GW will have a electric motor.
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>> Eric Caron
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