Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:58:35 -0800
Reply-To: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
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From: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
Subject: Re: Total loss, RIP
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Dennis
This is very good advice. My heart goes out to the original poster, and forgive me for forgetting name.
Dennis’ point about the failure of circuit breaker to prevent fire in this situation should be well noted.
Lots of things we do are on the good side of the knife edge, and we don’t always see immediately the other side. To learn that lesson in such a tragic way is something I think we all can all relate to.
I’m truly sorry about the loss of the van.
Alistair
> On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Most electrical fires are the result of the arcing or arc flash of an intermittent short, not of a duration long enough to trip a breaker or open a fuse. It is the intense heat of the arc igniting surrounding particles that can cause a fire to begin.
>
> As with many things that can hurt us there are protection devices available to help with this. While many of us are aware of overload protection few of us really understand how it works. Ground Fault circuit interrupters are also common know to reduce electric shock hazards. Now available are devices to protect from Arc faults.
>
> http://www.afcisafety.org/afci/what-is-afci/
>
> Anyplace where wiring can get damaged or extension cords are used or tools and other appliances are left powered on when not supervised, these devices can provide protection. In workshops and vehicle storage areas these are becoming must haves.
>
> Consider also that once a vehicle is stored inside the classification of that space changes. Flammable vapor detection is a must have and electrical equipment should not be near the floor and ideally rated for the application (explosion proof)? Our campers had small propane tanks for a number of reasons. Increase the capacity with larger or additional tanks and everything changes once something goes wrong. Same for increasing gasoline capacity.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Karl Ploessl
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:50 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Total loss, RIP
>
> so sorry. As my neighborhood has a mice infection and I am battling mice with traps in my apartment, I am always leary of possible electrical fires.
>
> Best of luck, Karl.
>
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:28 AM, steve meassick <stevem@tdhvac.com> wrote:
>>
>> No, the fire was not related to the van. It probably started with a
>> rodent gnawing on electrical in the building. I did have a blazecut
>> on the engine compartment lit, but apparently that was not enough... 😊
>
>>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of Stacy Schneider
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:10 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Total loss, RIP
>>
>> Ned
>>
>> Those pictures are telling. Was the fire auto
>> related or caused by sometging else? I don't think we all think about
>> proper ventilation when parking our cars in a closed area. I don't
>> have a tall enough garage to park my Westy or myh truck in, but I do
>> have a proper paint cabinet outsidde to keep all the paint and chemicals in.
>> Bummer about your van, hope your able to bounce
>> back and get into another van.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stacy
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Ned Savoie <ned@harbourlight.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, what a drag. That's a lot of memories. Hope you can get back
>>> into something soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ned
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ned Savoie
>>> Creative Director
>>>
>>> Harbour Light Strategic Marketing
>>> Savvy Software, Inc.
>>> 621A Islington Street
>>> Portsmouth, NH 03801
>>>
>>> [Telephone] 603.427.2821
>>> [Facsimile] 603.427.0938
>>> [Mobile] 603.828.2400
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:34 AM, steve meassick <stevem@tdhvac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This morning our equipment shed burned down with our 87 Westy
>>>> camper in it. It was a total loss. I had just put it in the shed
>>>> this Sunday
>>> after
>>>> doing a bunch of work on it over the winter. We had it since new
>>>> and
>>> had a
>>>> lot of great memories and trips in it ranging from the great lakes
>>>> to the Southwest to California to Alaska and Canada. A bunch of
>>>> other stuff including tractors and a car we're also destroyed but
>>>> this is the only thing I really had an attachment to.
>>>>
>>>> Here are a couple of photos:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 1989 Swedish Tristar with Aluminum gates and Atiwe 16" Wheels.
>> Oldest son is an Eagle scout.
>>
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