Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 08:42:06 -0700
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From: Pat Spragge <spraggepat@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
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Porsche/Volkswagen reads like a “family tree”...
Beetle engine case to 356 engine to 356 Carrera then back to 912 then 914 4 cyl then back to 912E then a halt to the 4 cyl air cooled boxer to the 924, 928, 944 etc.
> On May 2, 2018, at 8:11 AM, Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> I think the 912 always had the 4 cylinder derived from the 356. Same basic
> form factor as the VW flat 4s but a much higher performance animal.
>
> The best air cooled van I had was a '71. I took it on a 11,000 mile 8 week
> trip around the US and southern Canada when I was 21. It had one of those
> hot rod "009" centrifugal advance distributors and a header. I bought it
> for $700 in 1985. I believe on that trip I averaged about 22 mpg. it was
> a sportsmobile camper conversion which was quite functional.
>
> If anybody reading this thread would like to buy my '86 westy, AT, 225k
> miles in good condition but not without its typical minor vanagon flaws for
> $6500, p-mail me. I really want it to go to someone who knows all about
> vanagons. I just realized why I've been slow to sell it and wanting a
> "vanagon-expert" buyer to get it. Realization comes having written the
> above paragraph about the '71. After that big cross country trip I went
> away to college and my parents sold the van to neighbors down the street.
> 6 months later I was home and talked to them, noticing the van was not in
> their driveway. They had been driving it and the generator light had come
> on. "Old wiring" they thought and kept on going. The fan belt had broken
> and they destroyed that engine I had loved and babied all across the
> continent. I was so sad. I don't want something like that to happen to my
> vanagon which I have similarly loved and babied.
>
> Edward
>
>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:30 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> You’re right.
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>> That’s what I get for doing it from memory. J
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>> GregM
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>>
>> From: Pat Spragge [mailto:spraggepat@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 8:16 PM
>> To: KI4TLF
>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>>
>>
>>
>> The Type 4 was used in the Porsche 911.
>>
>> Believe it was the 912 which was a 4 cylinder...same as the 914.
>>
>>
>> On May 1, 2018, at 6:02 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>> There are 2 engines that came in the VW Van's from the factory, type 1
>> which is the upright Beetle engine and type 4 which is the Porsche designed
>> pancake style from 411 series sedans. The Type 4 was used in the Porsche
>> 911.
>> The type 1 came from 1100 to 1600 cc's and the type 4 was 1700-2000 cc's.
>> The type 4 changeover was in 1972 models.
>>
>> GregM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>> Of Tom Buese
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:36 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>>
>> Yes, but VW came out w/ a pancake engine in the early 60’s for their Type
>> 3 cars such as Squarebacks, Notches, Fastbacks, etc.
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>> On May 1, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>>
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>> The later version better known as the "pancake" engine or configuration.
>>
>> As Jim said, they
>>
>> are all flat 4 engines. The earlier better known as the "upright"
>>
>> configuration. The change
>>
>> to the pancake engine came in later 1971 or 1972 there abouts....
>>
>>
>>
>> Steven
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>> 91 Westy
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>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I **think** "upright engine" refers to the fan layout (vertical fan and
>>
>> blower housing) and not the cylinder layout (flat four for all VW
>>
>> air-cooled). I know my 69 had the "traditional" layout with the vertical
>>
>> fan attached to an alternator, like a beetle. Later buses had the flat fan.
>>
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>> Jim
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>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:27 AM ddbjorkman@verizon.net <
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>> ddbjorkman@verizon.net> wrote:
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>> There's a flat four in this beast, according to the seller. A
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>> replacement, no doubt.
>>
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>> Dave B.
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
>>
>> To: vanagon <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2018 12:05 pm
>>
>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>>
>>
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>> One of my favourite bread box years …. you still have the upright engine,
>>
>> but have disk brakes on the front.
>>
>>
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>> On 30-Apr-2018, at 12:09, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
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>> wrote:
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>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-volkswagen-bus-3/
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