Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 12:09:51 -0400
Reply-To: Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
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Don't get those Sube-powered plane guys started.
Stephen
Mobile
> On May 2, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> A family tree - >?? Oh yes like European Royalty -
> The german cousin married to the russian father in law whose mother is my
> second step sister twice removed from my uncles house -
> And once in a dory
>
> oh - and by the way --
> This list and most boat orientated lists are the only two places where i
> have seen an item offered for sale turn into a discussion about the 17
> different ways that item was powered or refitted for power and which one
> was best -- maybe aircraft guys talk like this too - i do not know ...
> Regards
>
>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:42 AM, Pat Spragge <spraggepat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Porsche/Volkswagen reads like a “family tree”...
>> Beetle engine case to 356 engine to 356 Carrera then back to 912 then 914
>> 4 cyl then back to 912E then a halt to the 4 cyl air cooled boxer to the
>> 924, 928, 944 etc.
>>
>>> On May 2, 2018, at 8:11 AM, Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the 912 always had the 4 cylinder derived from the 356. Same
>> basic
>>> form factor as the VW flat 4s but a much higher performance animal.
>>>
>>> The best air cooled van I had was a '71. I took it on a 11,000 mile 8
>> week
>>> trip around the US and southern Canada when I was 21. It had one of
>> those
>>> hot rod "009" centrifugal advance distributors and a header. I bought it
>>> for $700 in 1985. I believe on that trip I averaged about 22 mpg. it
>> was
>>> a sportsmobile camper conversion which was quite functional.
>>>
>>> If anybody reading this thread would like to buy my '86 westy, AT, 225k
>>> miles in good condition but not without its typical minor vanagon flaws
>> for
>>> $6500, p-mail me. I really want it to go to someone who knows all about
>>> vanagons. I just realized why I've been slow to sell it and wanting a
>>> "vanagon-expert" buyer to get it. Realization comes having written the
>>> above paragraph about the '71. After that big cross country trip I went
>>> away to college and my parents sold the van to neighbors down the street.
>>> 6 months later I was home and talked to them, noticing the van was not in
>>> their driveway. They had been driving it and the generator light had
>> come
>>> on. "Old wiring" they thought and kept on going. The fan belt had
>> broken
>>> and they destroyed that engine I had loved and babied all across the
>>> continent. I was so sad. I don't want something like that to happen to
>> my
>>> vanagon which I have similarly loved and babied.
>>>
>>> Edward
>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:30 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You’re right.
>>>>
>>>> That’s what I get for doing it from memory. J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GregM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Pat Spragge [mailto:spraggepat@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 8:16 PM
>>>> To: KI4TLF
>>>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Type 4 was used in the Porsche 911.
>>>>
>>>> Believe it was the 912 which was a 4 cylinder...same as the 914.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 1, 2018, at 6:02 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are 2 engines that came in the VW Van's from the factory, type 1
>>>> which is the upright Beetle engine and type 4 which is the Porsche
>> designed
>>>> pancake style from 411 series sedans. The Type 4 was used in the
>> Porsche
>>>> 911.
>>>> The type 1 came from 1100 to 1600 cc's and the type 4 was 1700-2000
>> cc's.
>>>> The type 4 changeover was in 1972 models.
>>>>
>>>> GregM
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Tom Buese
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:36 PM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but VW came out w/ a pancake engine in the early 60’s for their
>> Type
>>>> 3 cars such as Squarebacks, Notches, Fastbacks, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 1, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The later version better known as the "pancake" engine or configuration.
>>>>
>>>> As Jim said, they
>>>>
>>>> are all flat 4 engines. The earlier better known as the "upright"
>>>>
>>>> configuration. The change
>>>>
>>>> to the pancake engine came in later 1971 or 1972 there abouts....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>> 91 Westy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I **think** "upright engine" refers to the fan layout (vertical fan and
>>>>
>>>> blower housing) and not the cylinder layout (flat four for all VW
>>>>
>>>> air-cooled). I know my 69 had the "traditional" layout with the vertical
>>>>
>>>> fan attached to an alternator, like a beetle. Later buses had the flat
>> fan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:27 AM ddbjorkman@verizon.net <
>>>>
>>>> ddbjorkman@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's a flat four in this beast, according to the seller. A
>>>>
>>>> replacement, no doubt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> From: Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
>>>>
>>>> To: vanagon <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2018 12:05 pm
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of my favourite bread box years …. you still have the upright
>> engine,
>>>>
>>>> but have disk brakes on the front.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 30-Apr-2018, at 12:09, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-volkswagen-bus-3/
>>>>
>>>> ?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-04-30
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
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>>>>
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