Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:42:48 -0600
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Electrical puzzle
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& If Wires Don't Get "Tired" what causes Incandescent Bulbs
to Burn Out & Resistors to Open ~
On 15 Jun , 2018, at 9:07 PM, David Beierl wrote:
> I mostly agree with Karl here. If the starter cranks as well (or poorly)
> from the key as it does by jumpering the 50 terminal at the starter, then
> there is nothing to be gained in terms of the starter working. If it
> doesn't, then it's arguably as easy to fix the poor connection as to
> install a starter relay. I say connection because wires don't get tired,
> but crimps and connections do when left out in the weather the way VAG did.
>
> That said, the relay does reduce the stress on ignition switch contacts.
> The solenoid is an inductive load, so it arcs more at the switch contacts
> than a similar resistive load. The switches I've taken apart (no Kostal
> ones yet) show pitting and arc burns on the the center contact at the 30
> terminal, which seems to do most of the actual make-and-break switching. I
> tried to look at one just now to verify my recollection, but too many
> pieces were missing for me to make sense of it. It's kind of a horror
> inside -- the key-inserted switch complicates things considerably.
>
> Yrs,
> d
>
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Karl <tdiguru@westyventures.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never in 35 years of working on these seen a need for an additional
>> relay, so we'll have to agree to disagree here. If all connections are
>> clean and strong there is no need for bandaids. The required current to
>> activate the starter is quite small. Wires don't 'get tired'.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/15/2018 9:13 AM, OlRivrRat wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 Jun , 2018, at 1:11 AM, Karl Mullendore wrote:
>>>
>>> Easy fix - get rid of the unnecessary relay - as was done. The TDI starter
>>>> doesn't need this added complexity.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I Strongly Disagree with this ~ Anything that can be done to
>>> Lighten the Load
>>>
>>> on Our Van's Old & Tired Wires & Switches & Connectors is a Good Thing ~
>>> Especially
>>>
>>> in Instrument Cluster & FuseBlock area ~
>>>
>>> The TDI Starters Efficiency is a Big Help but without a Start Relay
>>> the Current
>>>
>>> required to Hold the Starter Solenoid is Still having to pass through the
>>> Entire Length
>>>
>>> of the 50Circuit, All its Connect's & the Igni'Switch < That is what is
>>> Unnecessary ~
>>>
>>> ORR ~ DeanB
>>>
>>>
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