Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:02:09 -0700
Reply-To: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Engine Puzzlememt
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First remove the TC bolts and you should be able to push the TC back 1/8”. See if will now spin freely 360. Then spin the engine. You may actually hear something drop. If you are really lucky you might get away with just removing the bolts and sliding the tranny back a bit and rotate the TC & engine again. Maybe a smashed starter pilot bearing will fall out!
Stuart
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Tom Stone <tstone8359@aol.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for your suggestions. I'll take a look at what it will take to get the tranny out and back in.
>
> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida
>
>> On June 22, 2018 4:28:46 PM Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>> Well, if it won’t turn 360 with the starter off it’s time to pull the tranny. It’s something in the bell housing jamming the TC or flex plate, or even something inside the engine. 😕
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Tom Stone <tstone8359@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I took the starter out and spun the engine by hand as far as it would go. Other than some shiny teeth, probably from the starter misalignment, I didn't see any major damage. The ring gear is pretty hefty. How can I see the rest of the ring gear and what would damage that would stop engine rotation look like?
>>>
>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida
>>>
>>>> On June 22, 2018 14:19:25 Tom Stone <tstone8359@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I took the plugs out and tried to turn the engine by hand in both directions. It stopped in the same places. I removed or disconnected all of the components connected to the engine yesterday. They all spun freely, but the engine would not. I will pull the starter off again and inspect the ring gear. Thanks for the suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida
>>>>
>>>>> On June 22, 2018 14:00:55 "Stuart MacMillan" <stuartmacm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you using your hands on the pulley (or belt) to turn over the engine,
>>>>> which should be fairly easy with plugs out, or the starter? If you can turn
>>>>> the engine around fully by hand but not with the starter, you have a badly
>>>>> damaged ring gear on the torque converter. Probably happened when the
>>>>> starter mount was broken due to misalignment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of Dennis
>>>>> Haynes
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 10:35 AM
>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Engine Puzzlememt
>>>>>
>>>>> Short bolt bottom of starter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Tom Stone<mailto:tstone8359@aol.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:22 PM
>>>>> To: Dennis Haynes<mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Engine Puzzlememt
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Dennis and Jim. I pulled the spark plugs and there were no fluids
>>>>> inside the cylinders. Manually turned engine to stop point in both
>>>>> directions. It stops in the same places. I checked all three torque
>>>>> converter bolts. All seem tight. Going to remove some exhaust pieces to
>>>>> verify.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the last change made to the engine was the installation of the starter
>>>>> long bolt, I am looking for some kind of obstruction in that area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your always helpful suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On June 21, 2018 19:08:09 Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Look for a loose torque converter bolt. One of the three between converter
>>>>> and flex plate or something fell in there. Also, if multiple tries to crank
>>>>> engine the cylinders could be locked up with gasoline. Remove the spark
>>>>> plugs and check.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Tom Stone<mailto:tstone8359@AOL.COM>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 6:01 PM
>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>>> Subject: Engine Puzzlememt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Working on my son's '91 Westy Automatic. New engine from the guy that took
>>>>> over Boston Bob's business. It was installed and running. The starter had
>>>>> been installed with only the short bolt which had loosened. The starter lost
>>>>> ground and would only work intermittently. Then the bolt ear broke. I got a
>>>>> new starter and the long bolt and installed it with both bolts. Now the
>>>>> engine will only rotate to a certain point and stop. I can manually turn the
>>>>> engine backwards and it stops turning at just before the stop point. I took
>>>>> the starter off and ran it. I took the belts off the P/S pump, the
>>>>> alternator and the water pump (A/C not connected) and they all turn freely.
>>>>> I took the valve covers off and without being able to rotate the engine,
>>>>> visually checked for a valve stem in each keeper. I am at a loss for what to
>>>>> look at next and what might have happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in FL where it is hot!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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