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Date:         Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:26:23 -0400
Reply-To:     Tom Stone <tstone8359@AOL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Tom Stone <tstone8359@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Engine Puzzlememt
Comments: To: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To:  <31E17F7D-83D4-4829-A71F-26C53D822740@gmail.com>
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So since you are more familiar with what is needed to properly diagnose my problem, let me ask you this: If I support the engine, unbolt the TC from the flex plate, unbolt the front trans mount, can I pull the trans away from the engine enough to get a good look/see?

Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida

On June 22, 2018 6:05:16 PM Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course you will need to support the engine and tranny and remove the > rear mount, but it’s worth a try before disconnecting everything. > >> On Jun 22, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Tom Stone <tstone8359@aol.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I'll take a look at what it will take to get >> the tranny out and back in. >> >> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida >> >>> On June 22, 2018 4:28:46 PM Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>> >>> Well, if it won’t turn 360 with the starter off it’s time to pull the >>> tranny. It’s something in the bell housing jamming the TC or flex plate, or >>> even something inside the engine. 😕 >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>>> On Jun 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Tom Stone <tstone8359@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I took the starter out and spun the engine by hand as far as it would go. >>>> Other than some shiny teeth, probably from the starter misalignment, I >>>> didn't see any major damage. The ring gear is pretty hefty. How can I see >>>> the rest of the ring gear and what would damage that would stop engine >>>> rotation look like? >>>> >>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida >>>> >>>>> On June 22, 2018 14:19:25 Tom Stone <tstone8359@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I took the plugs out and tried to turn the engine by hand in both >>>>> directions. It stopped in the same places. I removed or disconnected all >>>>> of the components connected to the engine yesterday. They all spun freely, >>>>> but the engine would not. I will pull the starter off again and inspect >>>>> the ring gear. Thanks for the suggestion. >>>>> >>>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida >>>>> >>>>>> On June 22, 2018 14:00:55 "Stuart MacMillan" <stuartmacm@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you using your hands on the pulley (or belt) to turn over the engine, >>>>>> which should be fairly easy with plugs out, or the starter? If you can turn >>>>>> the engine around fully by hand but not with the starter, you have a badly >>>>>> damaged ring gear on the torque converter. Probably happened when the >>>>>> starter mount was broken due to misalignment. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stuart >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of Dennis >>>>>> Haynes >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 10:35 AM >>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Engine Puzzlememt >>>>>> >>>>>> Short bolt bottom of starter? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Tom Stone<mailto:tstone8359@aol.com> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:22 PM >>>>>> To: Dennis Haynes<mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com> >>>>>> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> >>>>>> Subject: RE: Engine Puzzlememt >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Dennis and Jim. I pulled the spark plugs and there were no fluids >>>>>> inside the cylinders. Manually turned engine to stop point in both >>>>>> directions. It stops in the same places. I checked all three torque >>>>>> converter bolts. All seem tight. Going to remove some exhaust pieces to >>>>>> verify. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since the last change made to the engine was the installation of the starter >>>>>> long bolt, I am looking for some kind of obstruction in that area. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your always helpful suggestions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On June 21, 2018 19:08:09 Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Look for a loose torque converter bolt. One of the three between converter >>>>>> and flex plate or something fell in there. Also, if multiple tries to crank >>>>>> engine the cylinders could be locked up with gasoline. Remove the spark >>>>>> plugs and check. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dennis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Tom Stone<mailto:tstone8359@AOL.COM> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 6:01 PM >>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >>>>>> Subject: Engine Puzzlememt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Working on my son's '91 Westy Automatic. New engine from the guy that took >>>>>> over Boston Bob's business. It was installed and running. The starter had >>>>>> been installed with only the short bolt which had loosened. The starter lost >>>>>> ground and would only work intermittently. Then the bolt ear broke. I got a >>>>>> new starter and the long bolt and installed it with both bolts. Now the >>>>>> engine will only rotate to a certain point and stop. I can manually turn the >>>>>> engine backwards and it stops turning at just before the stop point. I took >>>>>> the starter off and ran it. I took the belts off the P/S pump, the >>>>>> alternator and the water pump (A/C not connected) and they all turn freely. >>>>>> I took the valve covers off and without being able to rotate the engine, >>>>>> visually checked for a valve stem in each keeper. I am at a loss for what to >>>>>> look at next and what might have happened. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in FL where it is hot! >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>


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