Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 14:28:33 -0500
Reply-To: Steven Shelton <shelton4@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Steven Shelton <shelton4@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: breather tower
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I just assumed the rubber got hard and broke after 300,000 miles (on two
engines) and, since I have no idea what the thing actually does, guessed
that high miles and the poor seal of the rubber lead to build-up of carbon.
Ignorance is bliss, at least for a while.
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On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 11:11 AM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> What did you do to fix the carbon problem? That is not from a properly
> running healthy engine using good oil.
>
> Dennis
>
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> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: breather tower
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> In addition to the seal at the bottom, there is a rubber seal at the top,
> under the part that looks like a removable cap. Carbon can build up around
> this seal and/or it can split (I cut my old one open and posted a picture
> here: (
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> On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 12:00 AM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > While the oil itself may be able to withstand temps that high there is
> > a difference from hitting the bottom of hot pistons or cooling
> > bearings and the "bulk" temperature of the oil in the sump getting
> > that hot. Just like the cooling system there are parts that are much
> > hotter than the temperature reading at the gauge. That is why it is so
> > important for the cooling system to maintain pressure to prevent
> > vaporization. Anyway, for the Waterboxer a lot of bad things happen
> > when the oil temp gets out of control. The first is the drop in oil
> > pressure. This is due to the oil viscosity dropping and over expansion
> > of parts of the engine causing clearances to increase. VW added the
> > oil cooler on the 2.1L engines to keep the oil temp close to coolant
> temp. At times it just isn't enough.
> > Even with the oil cooler in Fun Bus oil testing has shown oxidation
> > and nitration is happening, most likely due to high ring temp temps.
> > Getting back to the oil tower question I have replaced many an o-ring
> > at the base and the towers themselves du to them getting distorted or
> > even melting where they sit on the crankcase.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OlRivrRat [mailto:OlRivrRat@comcast.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:11 PM
> > To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: breather tower
> >
> > On 19 Jan , 2019, at 2:23 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
> >
> > > Again from overheating that seal can fail also. BTW the crankcase
> > > and
> > engine oil can over heat even with the coolant temperature indicating
> > all is normal. Enough speed and load or over filling can easily get
> > the oil to 270F or more.
> >
> > While 270ºF is Pretty Darned Toasty it is not OverHeated,
> > Especially if using a High Quality Synthetic ~
> >
> > The Mob1 15w50 is Good to 500ºF According to the Mob'Guys ~
> >
> >
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