Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:53:36 +0000
Reply-To: Sean Garrett <doit.outdoors@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Sean Garrett <doit.outdoors@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: SLA AC Delco Deep Cycle? (vs Interstate)
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Curious, I forget my chemistry basics... is Hydrogen gas heavier than surrounding air ?
- Sean G
On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 3:27:53 PM MST, Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote: I've always used Vice-Grips on the Left terminal to lift with my left hand, and steadied and balanced battery with my right hand as I lifted it out. I've never had a bad outcome, but I could see it potentially being a problem. Your solution is much smarter than mine.
Many potential hillbilly solutions to solve this...just a couple lengths of para-cord or something would also work, provided they were installed at same time as battery replacement. Normally we are just so eager to get a fresh battery installed that we don't consider 8 years down the road. Some of the batteries now come with a strong Polyethylene flexible handle to do the job.
I have used Group 41 Walmart batteries for both start and house for many (30) years. No venting tubes. I always figured the tiny amount of Hydrogen gas would just quickly rise and disappear and not be a problem since it is not being contained. No explosions so far.
I remember Chemistry in both high school and college where instructor filled a test tube with Hydrogen gas and then ignited with a welder's sparker....quite the POP! To be respected and considered, for sure. Maybe the lawyers at VW insisted on having venting for battery since hardly any car has a battery INSIDE of a car (yet alone the propane for stove and fridge which I consider to be a far greater danger). Just guessing though.
Rich
San Diego
On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 2:46:17 PM PDT, Mark Belanger <mbelanger@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
I recently had to replace my main battery (replaced with a Bosch from Pep
Boy) and had such a battle, even after buying two different types of
battery removers (the rings that attach to the terminals finally worked),
that I bought a couple of feet of 2" wide Velcro strapping and ran two
loops around the new battery, duct-taped the loops secure and now have a
reliable two-handed solution.
-MB
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:29 AM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ken, I do not have an image. The vent openings for the battery compartment
> on mine are at the bottom corners of the compartment, so that they vent
> under the vehicle. To get an image, I would have to open the compartment,
> remove the battery, and make the photograph. Then of course I would have
> to reinstall the battery. As others have pointed out in the past, these
> are not trivial efforts. Even the last battery I bought, my tech
> installed, and he found it to be rather time consuming and not easy. He is
> an experienced Vanagon mechanic, with factory training, and some age on
> him.
>
> I personally installed the last battery before that one, and for me, it was
> a very difficult task. The one I removed at that time was some off brand
> flaps battery without the vents that was in the van when I bought it.
> That battery was on its last legs, so I got the Bosch (from Pep Boys) and
> it lasted from 2008 until 2018, which I thought was pretty good. However,
> the Pep Boys here said they no longer carried that battery.
>
> mcneely
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 8:40 AM Kenneth O'Connor <
> kenneth.oconnor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello David,
> >
> > I've had two Vanagons and have never had the vents. Do you have an image
> > of how the vent lines route in the battery compartment?
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Ken
> > - Stella the '86 Syncro
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 8:36 AM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The WalMart batteries in the U.S. are not true vented batteries as
> >> required
> >> by the Vanagon. Vanagon specific batteries have vents built into each
> end
> >> of the battery case, with nipples to attach vent tubes that fit to the
> >> battery compartment vents, so hydrogen gas is never free in the battery
> >> compartment, but all is vented directly to the outside (underside
> >> actually)
> >> of the vehicle. I don't remember offhand the size specification, but my
> >> current start battery in my 1991 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile is an
> >> Interstate, with the vents. The one before that was a Bosch, and it
> also
> >> had the vents. Most batteries that most flaps and other vendors offer
> and
> >> will sell you for your Vanagon do not have them.
> >>
> >> mcneely
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:53 AM Gabriel Hourtouat <ghourtouat@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Canadian content:
> >> > I have gone with the advice of some other listserve members and tried
> >> out
> >> > the Walmart brand for my start battery, due to low cost and high
> >> > availability throughout Canada. They boast a reputable manufacturer;
> >> but I
> >> > don't remember what that is.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have enough experience with it yet to make a well founded
> >> comment.
> >> > (Others users were impressed with their Walmart batteries, I believe.)
> >> >
> >> > Also, it's a wet cell; but I can't find that it is vented anywhere. I
> >> > figure it should be, but there is no way to check the liquid level; so
> >> I am
> >> > confused about it.
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:34 PM Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks Dennis.
> >> > >
> >> > > Venting is something to consider for sure so will consider investing
> >> > > in an AGM battery.
> >> > >
> >> > > Relatively recent web posts in various forums suggest that the
> >> > > Motomaster "Nautilus" batteries at Canadian Tire are made by Exide
> but
> >> > > web images of Exide vs Motomaster "Nautilus" group 27 batteries show
> >> > > each case as being quite different.
> >> > >
> >> > > Neil.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 3/25/19, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Exide and Deka are good choices.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> >> > Behalf
> >> > > Of
> >> > > > Neil N
> >> > > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 4:24 PM
> >> > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> > > > Subject: SLA AC Delco Deep Cycle? (vs Interstate)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > I'm shopping for an SLA deep cycle battery in Canada.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Neil n
> >> > >
> >> > > VE7TBN
> >> > >
> >> > > 1988 Westy 50º ABA swap: https://tinyurl.com/yap5hpwt
> >> > >
> >> > > 1981 Westy 15º ABA swap: https://tinyurl.com/y9n4xob8
> >> > >
> >> > > VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
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