Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:21:58 -0400
Reply-To: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: First ride of shame, fuel issue
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Hi Steven,
I don’t know the history of the heads, most likely replacement but I don’t know when. Dennis re torqued them and got rid of a head gasket leak.
I have used parts all needed cost me $20.00 So, I might assemble and see what happens. If it runs well enough to get me a few more miles great.
But it sure sounds like it is new engine time for me.
I’ll be starting a new thread for recommendations!
Eric
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 4:03 PM, Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> I'd like to ask what the history of the heads/engine are? How old? Are
> they
> replacements from original?
>
> Did anyone every doubt that Dennis would be spot on?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steven
> 91 Westy
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:49 PM Edward Maglott <emaglott3@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow I am surprised that was the issue but it does make sense! I hope not
>> too much was damaged and you can just replace the pushrods and rocker
>> assembly.
>>
>> hashtag never doubt dennis haynes
>>
>> Edward
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:29 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Listers,
>>>
>>> More useful info in diagnostics.
>>>
>>> Today with Art’s help we checked over the engine.
>>>
>>> Then, we checked fuel Pressure, 40 PSI.
>>>
>>> Then we ran the engine and Art pulled off a spark plug. Engine died,
>>> started again and pulled off next plug, engine died. Then started again
>>> and pulled next plug, engine kept running the same. Then the next plug
>> as
>>> well, engine kept running the same.
>>>
>>> So only two cylinders running.
>>>
>>> We then tested the driver’s side injectors, both are firing. Gas
>> sprayed.
>>> And we had spark on all plugs.
>>>
>>> Next Art pulled the valve cover.
>>>
>>> The sound Art made once he could look up there was not good.
>>>
>>> A nut was off the rocker assembly, another was almost off, washer was in
>>> pieces. Push rod assembly was broken, at least three push rods bent one
>>> badly others mildly.
>>>
>>> I have a used good push rod assembly here to be cleaned up and installed
>>> and also good new used push rods. We won’t have time to assemble today
>> but
>>> I’d be grateful for thoughts and tips and recommendations about this
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> Once we assemble we can do a compression test, I’m pretty sure we have
>>> access to the gage. Leakdown could be harder to do here.
>>>
>>> Still we are now making some progress in diagnosing the problem.
>>>
>>> Dennis gets points for sending us in the right direction.
>>>
>>> Keep the info coming.
>>>
>>> Eric Caron
>>> 85 GL Auto
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned the valves due to the valve train noise. Yes it is possible
>>> ignition miss or even an injection problem. Not too long ago I had a
>>> customer towed in no start. Got it started but only running on 2
>> cylinders.
>>> Turned out the harness was fried. Past fuel pump failure or some other
>>> cause for a short circuit melted the wires in the FI harness. There is no
>>> current protection for anything needed to run the engine, ignition fuel
>>> pump, ECU, injectors etc. It will try to run until it can't.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Richard Smith <smirby@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 4:58 PM
>>>> To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>> Cc: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
>>>> Subject: Re: First ride of shame, fuel issue
>>>>
>>>> I know the focus has been on fuel (and now valves), but is it possible
>>> that the spark is bad on one/two cylinders? I had a similar sound one
>> time
>>> when a rat (presumably) chewed a spark plug wire and it was only running
>> on
>>> 3 cylinders.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-07-29, 1:51 PM, "Vanagon Mailing List on behalf of Dennis
>>> Haynes" <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com on behalf of d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You need to pull the valve covers and make sure all the pushrods are
>>> properly seated. Then turn the engine by hand (wrench) and have someone
>>> make sure that al the valves are properly opening and closing. If so then
>>> compression and leak down test. Sounds like 1 or 2 valves are stuck open.
>>> If any of the push rods are loose they need to be pulled and checked for
>>> bending. Yes, it happens. Any chance you got bad gas or gas mixed with
>>> Diesel?
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of
>>> Eric Caron
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 4:29 PM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: First ride of shame, fuel issue
>>>>
>>>> Hi Lister’s,
>>>>
>>>> I’ve included a link to the sound of engine running badly. I’ve at
>>> least gotten it to start and run poorly. Maybe the sound will give some
>>> hints.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to surge and vibrate.
>>>>
>>>> I have now changed the fuel filters. And I check the AFM connector
>>> and while they're put in a new air filter.
>>>>
>>>> Van starts if I feather the gas. Runs with careful feathering. Will
>>> eventually idle but now surges and eventually stalls. Runs with
>> vibration.
>>>>
>>>> Some progress is being made but not sure where to look next.
>>>>
>>>> I will have more skilled help later in the week. We will have a
>>> multi meeter and a gas pressure tester.
>>>>
>>>> Tips appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Caron
>>>> 85 GL Auto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fmq4ziwkiunytwjh%2FVWBUS%25202.m4a%3Fdl%3D0&data=02%7C01%7C%7C33160eebdc324ede57a408d714676346%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637000306583069140&sdata=97kkKvjnYw5WfkahnZT5icykTJUHm5C9fbwmp46%2FnEg%3D&reserved=0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Dan N <dn92610@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> change the fuel filter AND the pressure regulator, check the TPS
>>> (throttle body switch)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 1:58 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net
>>> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>> Significant update and van still not drivable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, with the kind help of a fellow list member, my fuel pump was
>>> replaced and now the van starts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Problem is now it is running very very rough and stalls unless foot is
>>> held to give gas.
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn’t start unless I pump the gas peddle. Not what I expect from
>>> this van as it starts usually with foot off the gas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine sounds very rough though it sounded good earlier this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today we could hear that in fact the old fuel pump was turning on but
>>> it didn’t sound like it used to for the past 7 years. It turned on and
>>> vibrated but the sound was wrong. We took off the fuel line in the
>> engine
>>> compartment and cycled the fuel pump a few times. No fuel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we have fuel but the engine sounds terrible. Starts hard with
>> lots
>>> of gas and runs rough.
>>>>> I notice also more vibration than usual.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only thing I can do is to change the filters to see if they are
>>> restricting flow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other ideas about what is going on are appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Caron
>>>>> 85 GL Auto
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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