Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 07:35:24 -0500
Reply-To: Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
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it is not that gmail in spam filtering mail from gerry, but some mails
never show up in the first place.
Karl.
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mark Belanger <mbelanger@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've had a very positive experience with Gmail's SPAM filtering, but then
> again I've been using it since the beginning, so my training data is large.
> Every now and then I get a false positive, but by setting the sort field to
> sender in the SPAM folder, those false positives jump right out.
>
> If you would like to run Gmail without their anti-SPAM, I suspect this old
> tip will still work:
>
> <https://c-command.com/spamsieve/help/turning-off-the-gmail-s>
>
>
> FWIW,
> -MB
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 11:39 AM Michael A. Radtke <wa7zpu@5by9.net> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Most of us have agreed to let the spammers win.
> >
> > What I mean is that most of us have agreed to attempt to block spam
> > instead of aggressively going after the spammers.
> >
> > Attempting to block spam doesn't work. There are always false
> > positives and false negatives. That means that the receiver will still
> > get some spam as well as miss some legitimate important messages.
> >
> > There are at least two methods your email provider is using to handle
> > spam. In some cases the suspected spam and a few of your legitimate
> > messages are directed to a spam or junk folder. At least you still can
> > see those messages.
> >
> > Other messages your email provider is so sure are spam are just
> > discarded. No matter what your email provider tells you, you have no
> > control nor record of these messages being deleted. It is most likely
> > this is what's happening to some of your missing vanagon list messages.
> >
> > I have been doing email for a very long time and I subscribe to the
> > USPS model of having ALL of my incoming mail delivered. That's the way
> > it was in the early years. Then spam filters became popular. Finally
> > spam filters became mandatory and largely controlled by the email
> > provider.
> >
> > I have resisted, but like Hilary, to do that I have to run my own email
> > server in order to see all of my mail. And, I take the time to identify
> > spammers and report them to the to the site administrators where they
> > are being hosted.
> >
> > Not afraid to press the delete key,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > ------------------------ Original Message ------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:01:59 -0500
> > From: Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
> >
> >
> > didn't receive any "Rescue squad" email. Not in the spam either. That is
> > with my gmail account I see it in Digest mode (which I use a different
> > email address for).
> >
> > Karl.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 12:58 PM Mark McCulley <markmcculley@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting. Dennis's hotmail account received the email but my gmail
> > > account did not get it. It's not in my spam folder, I can find no trace
> > of
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Did anyone else that is using gmail receive Chris's email (subject was
> > > "Rescue squad")?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 9:48 AM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes,
> > > > I received it. As a thought the problem maybe the way the list sends
> it
> > > > out. The list name and the "Behalf of" may trigger some spam filters.
> > > Since
> > > > most of us use some type of cloud service that service maybe
> filtering
> > at
> > > > some upper level. Once you do a response including that sender than
> you
> > > are
> > > > generally good to go. I see the problem mostly with unknown (to me)
> > > > posters.
> > > >
> > > > Dennis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of
> > Mark
> > > > McCulley
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:13 PM
> > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > > Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
> > > >
> > > > Did anyone get the email sent by Chris Snyder this morning? I see it
> on
> > > > the archives but I did not receive it.
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:53 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m no tech expert but I thought we might work together to
> be
> > > > > sure Gerry is able to get the most messages to us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there anyone out there that is pretty confident they are not
> > > > > missing some original posts? It would be helpful to know what
> email
> > > > > provider you are using.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, If when we reply we remember to use reply to all, that will
> get
> > > > > the messages to the entire list and not just the one person that
> gets
> > > > > it if you simply use reply.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m going to keep a eye out for emails that I don’t get from the
> > > > > original sender and try to figure out the consistent thing that is
> > > > > causing it to happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > I did get a improvement of less email going to junk when I changed
> my
> > > > > subscription email from iCloud to Comcast. I’m going to now work
> > with
> > > > > Gerry to set up another email subscription with a google address to
> > > > > see if they act differently.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lets keep strong heading into 2020!
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m looking forward to a active vanagon year and will need you good
> > > > > folks out there!
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Caron
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Mark Belanger - mbelanger@gmail.com
>
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