Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 14:19:05 -0800
Reply-To: Jim Arnott <jim@EONI.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Jim Arnott <jim@EONI.COM>
Subject: Fixing the missing posts & readable digests
In-Reply-To: <CABToOY+BM+YKFXr6bN28EXonG7j3bT3PgNPqs0qSpXvtzXkcFA@mail.gmail.com>
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I started with the message from Chris Snyder noted by Edward.
I have it delivered in my inbox at 9:07 AM PST New Year’s morning, so the message is getting distributed by the server.
Mark McCulley - many ISPs simply send rejected messages to the bit bucket with no notification to the sender. The listserv gives me a list of addresses from where messages were returned, but I do not get the specific message that was returned nor the reason why. I scanned the listserv log for the past day or so, and I can see where delivery to a specific address failed, but again, not the reason why it failed. The listserv simple notes that the delivery failed.
That being said, most of the delivery errors seem to come from gmail. 20 of 21 failed deliveries yesterday were gmail accounts.
I just visited my spam filter and found a number of messages that were in quarantine due to SPF failure of the originating sender. Note: the originating sender, not the listserv.
For starters, If you haven’t already done so, I’d suggest that one whitelist vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com at your mail server level as well as in your mail client. (Typically, log into your mail using a browser and the webmail feature of your mail provider. Eric, yours would be at https://webmail.comcast.com. Find the spam filter settings and whitelist vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com.)
I can’t see anything that would indicate that this issue is anywhere in the listserv or the listserv settings.
The digests however… If you are getting unreadable digests, try sending the following command to the listserv:
to: listserv@gerry.vanagon.com
subject: you can put whatever you like here, it’s ignored
in the body of the message: SET VANAGON DIGESTS/NOHTML/MIME
and see if that fixes the formatting for you.
Jim
> On Jan 3, 2020, at 7:00 AM, Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> I did not find the original email from chris when I searched "all mail" in
> my gmail account. I do see it in Ben's reply below. when I searched my
> gmail account "all mail" for chris's email address it finds some messages
> from back in 2017.
>
> Edward
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> below is Ben's reply to Chris's email that I did receive:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Chris,
>
> The app you want is called Van Alert. Here’s the app store link:
>
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vanalert/id1199826282 <
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vanalert/id1199826282>
>
> And to join the rescue squad, driveway hosts, etc, groups, I think you need
> to submit through the website:
>
> https://vanalert.com/ <https://vanalert.com/>
>
> -ben
>
>> On Jan 1, 2020, at 11:06 AM, CHRIS SNYDER <titantic01@AOL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Can someone tell me the app or how to get back on the rescue squad?
>>
>> After getting a new iPhone, it’s one that didn’t get back to new phone.
>>
>> Thanks and happy new year everyone.
>>
>> Chris
>> Snyder
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 8:47 AM Jim Arnott <jrasite@eoni.com> wrote:
>
>> I’ll look at the errors in detail this weekend.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2020, at 9:05 AM, Mark McCulley <markmcculley@GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it would be helpful to have the technical administrator of the
>> list
>>> server check to see if these ghost emails are being returned or rejected
>>> for some reason. Is that Jim Arnott? If he could confirm that the emails
>>> are being sent to everyone and aren't being rejected by recipients'
>> servers
>>> then that would be valuable troubleshooting information.
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:55 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dave B.
>>>>
>>>> Did you send your message to the entire list or just to Dennis?
>>>>
>>>> I only saw it as part of the Dennis reply and not in my junk.
>>>>
>>>> More messages seem gone completely and not in junk.
>>>>
>>>> I’m on about 7 mailing lists and sadly this is the only one this is
>>>> happening to. And, this is one of my top two useful lists! The other
>> is
>>>> for guide dog users!
>>>>
>>>> I wish I had more tech skills but I still think together we might come
>> up
>>>> with a solution.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Caron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 2, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> “Verizon.Net” at least for FIOS no longer does there own hosting, it is
>>>> now done by AOL. That is basically a cloud service although it does
>> support
>>>> IMAP and can work with Outlook and other e-mail clients.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: ddbjorkman@verizon.net <ddbjorkman@verizon.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 9:09 AM
>>>>> To: d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't get Chris's post, I don't use a cloud service (security
>>>> concerns), and I miss posts. I hope that's helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave B.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM<mailto:
>>>> d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>>
>>>>> To: vanagon <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:
>> vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2020 12:47 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
>>>>> Yes,
>>>>> I received it. As a thought the problem maybe the way the list sends it
>>>> out. The list name and the "Behalf of" may trigger some spam filters.
>> Since
>>>> most of us use some type of cloud service that service maybe filtering
>> at
>>>> some upper level. Once you do a response including that sender than you
>> are
>>>> generally good to go. I see the problem mostly with unknown (to me)
>> posters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:
>>>> vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>> On Behalf Of Mark McCulley
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:13 PM
>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
>>>>>
>>>>> Did anyone get the email sent by Chris Snyder this morning? I see it on
>>>> the archives but I did not receive it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:53 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net
>>>> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m no tech expert but I thought we might work together to be
>>>>>> sure Gerry is able to get the most messages to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anyone out there that is pretty confident they are not
>>>>>> missing some original posts? It would be helpful to know what email
>>>>>> provider you are using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, If when we reply we remember to use reply to all, that will get
>>>>>> the messages to the entire list and not just the one person that gets
>>>>>> it if you simply use reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m going to keep a eye out for emails that I don’t get from the
>>>>>> original sender and try to figure out the consistent thing that is
>>>>>> causing it to happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did get a improvement of less email going to junk when I changed my
>>>>>> subscription email from iCloud to Comcast. I’m going to now work with
>>>>>> Gerry to set up another email subscription with a google address to
>>>>>> see if they act differently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lets keep strong heading into 2020!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m looking forward to a active vanagon year and will need you good
>>>>>> folks out there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric Caron
>>>>
>>
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