Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 12:08:35 -0500
Reply-To: Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
In-Reply-To: <CAKbau52SKaY7p-go14WBCe1uV23XVCpC=WqwxEcR76ZBSes+ig@mail.gmail.com>
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this is what I got a few days ago:
Probe failure for vanagon
vanagon
x
L-Soft list server at Vanagon List (1.8d)
Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 11:26 AM (23 hours ago)
to Karl
Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:26:12
LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM has just received the enclosed delivery error
as a result of a probe sent to your KARL.PLOESSL@GMAIL.COM account for
the vanagon list. If you are reading this message, it means that your
mail system is successfully delivering mail to your mailbox, while at the
same time reporting that an error has occurred (or, alternatively, the
error could be due to a system problem which has since then been fixed).
At any rate, ListServ has no way to know that you have actually received
the present message, and is operating on the assumption that your e-mail
address is no longer valid. Typically, ListServ will send you one or more
additional probe messages, on a daily basis, to determine whether the
failure persists, and if so you will be removed from the list eventually.
Some lists are configured to remove users on the first failure.
Assuming you have not been removed from the list yet, you can stop this
process by sending the following command to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM as
soon as possible:
CONFIRM vanagon
This will tell ListServ that your account actually does work and that you
still want to receive mail from the vanagon list.
While the CONFIRM command will solve your immediate problem, it is only a
matter of time until you find yourself in the same situation again.
Please take a look at the enclosed error report and try to determine
whether it is a genuine error, or just an informational message. Bear in
mind that this error report was processed by a computer that cannot tell
"User JAIME24 does not exist" from "Please note that the Department of
Microbiology will be closed from December 19 to January 2" or "Attempts
to deliver your message have been unsuccessful for 300 seconds; will keep
trying for another 431700 seconds". These informational messages, while
possibly useful to a human reader, should not be sent in answer to a
message coming from a mailing list (it is very easy for the mail program
to determine whether a message is coming from a mailing list). Genuine
errors should be reported to your computer/network support staff as soon
as possible so that they can be corrected.
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:06 PM Mark McCulley <markmcculley@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I think it would be helpful to have the technical administrator of the list
> server check to see if these ghost emails are being returned or rejected
> for some reason. Is that Jim Arnott? If he could confirm that the emails
> are being sent to everyone and aren't being rejected by recipients' servers
> then that would be valuable troubleshooting information.
>
> -Mark
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:55 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dave B.
> >
> > Did you send your message to the entire list or just to Dennis?
> >
> > I only saw it as part of the Dennis reply and not in my junk.
> >
> > More messages seem gone completely and not in junk.
> >
> > I’m on about 7 mailing lists and sadly this is the only one this is
> > happening to. And, this is one of my top two useful lists! The other is
> > for guide dog users!
> >
> > I wish I had more tech skills but I still think together we might come up
> > with a solution.
> >
> > Eric Caron
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 2, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > “Verizon.Net” at least for FIOS no longer does there own hosting, it is
> > now done by AOL. That is basically a cloud service although it does
> support
> > IMAP and can work with Outlook and other e-mail clients.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > >
> > > From: ddbjorkman@verizon.net <ddbjorkman@verizon.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 9:09 AM
> > > To: d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
> > >
> > > I didn't get Chris's post, I don't use a cloud service (security
> > concerns), and I miss posts. I hope that's helpful.
> > >
> > > Dave B.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM<mailto:
> > d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>>
> > > To: vanagon <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:
> vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >>
> > > Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2020 12:47 pm
> > > Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
> > > Yes,
> > > I received it. As a thought the problem maybe the way the list sends it
> > out. The list name and the "Behalf of" may trigger some spam filters.
> Since
> > most of us use some type of cloud service that service maybe filtering at
> > some upper level. Once you do a response including that sender than you
> are
> > generally good to go. I see the problem mostly with unknown (to me)
> posters.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:
> > vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>> On Behalf Of Mark McCulley
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:13 PM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > > Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
> > >
> > > Did anyone get the email sent by Chris Snyder this morning? I see it on
> > the archives but I did not receive it.
> > >
> > > -Mark
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:53 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net
> > <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi folks,
> > >>
> > >> I’m no tech expert but I thought we might work together to be
> > >> sure Gerry is able to get the most messages to us.
> > >>
> > >> Is there anyone out there that is pretty confident they are not
> > >> missing some original posts? It would be helpful to know what email
> > >> provider you are using.
> > >>
> > >> Also, If when we reply we remember to use reply to all, that will get
> > >> the messages to the entire list and not just the one person that gets
> > >> it if you simply use reply.
> > >>
> > >> I’m going to keep a eye out for emails that I don’t get from the
> > >> original sender and try to figure out the consistent thing that is
> > >> causing it to happen.
> > >>
> > >> I did get a improvement of less email going to junk when I changed my
> > >> subscription email from iCloud to Comcast. I’m going to now work with
> > >> Gerry to set up another email subscription with a google address to
> > >> see if they act differently.
> > >>
> > >> Lets keep strong heading into 2020!
> > >>
> > >> I’m looking forward to a active vanagon year and will need you good
> > >> folks out there!
> > >>
> > >> Eric Caron
> >
>
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