Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 15:08:34 +0000
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Nolathane upper control arm bushings?
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The actual element in the OEM bushing design is so thin I doubt that any of the poly alternatives will make much difference here. The GoWesty design relies on the lack of road forces being transmitted through this connection. Except for needing shim adjustment sometimes it is undoubtedly the most reliable not being dependent on lubrication.
Dennis
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Subject: Re: Nolathane upper control arm bushings?
Hi All. Any consideration that the aforementioned NVH is not so good for our old chassis, components, etc. I often wonder what is happening to things that feel the bumps as much as my body.
Dave B.
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From: Neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
To: vanagon <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2020 1:06 pm
Subject: Re: Nolathane upper control arm bushings?
Hi Chris.
That's awesome that you actually took time to A/B these products. Thank you.
Its partly a mental mindset, in terms of money; I'm dealing with a ~
30% exchange rate from CAD to USD. Regardless, I'll likely have to
sell one of my Westies so UCA bushing brand choice will depend on
which I install parts on. (sooner or later). Both Westies have the
same engine. On one, the engine is a bit louder under load so added
NVH over bumps, potholes, may not be an issue on the van with louder
engine.
Neil.
On 1/19/20, christopher@t3technique.com <christopher@t3technique.com> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> The Nolathane and Whiteline bushings are 100% exactly the same part, just
> different packaging. The biggest performance difference between the GW,
> Nolathane/Whiteline, and the Powerflex bushings is the ride quality. The
> stiffer/harder the bushing material, the more NVH (noise, harshness,
> vibration) is transferred into the chassis. The softer (more NVH absorbent)
> the bushing material, less NVH is transferred to the chassis. The GW
> bushings are the hardest, the Nolathane/Whiteline bushings are quite a bit
> stiffer than the stock Vanagon rubber bushings (but a lot softer than the GW
> bushings), and the Powerflex bushings are more NVH absorbent than the stock
> bushings due to being the softest of the bunch and having more material than
> the stock rubber bushings. I have personally tested all of the bushing
> options back to back in the same van with the same tires, suspension, etc.
> and when you test the bushings that way (all other NVH factors being equal),
> you can definitely tell the difference in ride quality and noise level.
> Point being, if ride quality and noise level is important to you, choose
> wisely. If you are on a serious budget, the Whiteline bushings are a
> reasonable option, but you will be giving up a bit of ride quality and
> increasing the noise level in the cabin a bit...all other things being equal
> of course.
>
> Christopher
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of Neil N
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:19 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Nolathane upper control arm bushings?
>
> Thanks Dennis. Helpful info. IIRC, the GoWesty upper control arm bushings
> may require similar adjustments. The bushings supplied by T3 may not?
>
> I may just go with Whiteline bushings from T3
>
> Neil.
>
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Neil n
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