Date:         Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:30:45 +0000
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From:         Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: Interesting MPG numbers
Comments: To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
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 Yes....the Van with the stock 2.1 Wasserboxer?.....yes, that was a Syncro van, sorry I forgot to mention this important tidbit.  So more moving stuff down below, and of course a bigger hit on the MPG.  All making sense.  Also, both of the other vans had pretty gnarly and aggressive tires; unlike mine; so that has something to do with all of it as well.  My tires are spooky quiet at freeway speeds....just saying.

Rich
San diego

    On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:25:21 PM PDT, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
 As part of the  data set are all these vans using the same transmissions-tire sizes? 
Of all the Vanagons I've owned the 1.9L with 4 speed, no AC or power steering was the best for fuel economy. Indicated 21 on trips was normal. Adding AC took a hit when used and even adding power steering knocked it down dome. Moving from that to the Syncro camper was a wakeup call, 16-17 was good. 15 on a trip with the AC. I now have a 91 auto tin top and it too is in the 16-17 range. Except for heads @168K and an exhaust valve with rings at 248K this is also an original engine. 

For subie conversions without gearing changes the 2.2L is the best bet. 

Dennis


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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Richard Koerner
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:33 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Interesting MPG numbers

 I had recently posted this on the "subaruvanagon" list, but also thought this info might be worthwhile to VanagonList people, especially those considering a Subie swap.  Just another data point.  That is all.  Read the thread.

Rich
San Diego

  ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: RICHARD KOERNER <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>To: "subaruvanagon@groups.io" <subaruvanagon@groups.io>; "subaruvanagon@groups.io" <subaruvanagon@groups.io>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 8:41:55 AM PDTSubject: Re: [SubaruVanagon] Interesting MPG numbers
  Yes Jon, that is exactly right.  Normally in the USA, my Subie 2.2 gets around 22 MPG on roadtrips.  Gasoline in Baja currently costs around 19 Pesos per liter, or $3.78/gallon.  We all covered the same distance between filling our tanks, around 190 miles.  So, basically my Subie 2.2 got 22.8 MPG, the Subie 2.5 got 19.5 MPG, and the 2.1 Waterboxer got 17.1 MPG.  Approximately....I'm going on memory for the miles driven, and also the price of gas in Mexico (it was cheaper closer to the border, like around 16 Pesos per liter).  We were all driving around 58 to 60 MPH.  No wind.  Mixture of flats and hills.

    On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 8:02:54 AM PDT, Jon Walhberg via Groups.Io <jonwalhberg=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:  
 
 So trying to understand this; you guys all started with a full tank and stopped to fill up again? The 2.2 used less gas, so it only costed $600 pesos to fill and the other vans used more, costing more to fill? Is that right? 

On Mar 23, 2020, at 4:58 PM, RICHARD KOERNER <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:



Just got back from a week long excursion to Baja.  With 4 other Vanagons.  At one point after a fairly long stretch, we gassed up at the local Pemex gas station and compared our numbers.  Kinda interesting.  Remember....same terrain and speed for all of us after about a 200 mile stretch.
Me:  Subie 2.2 with 60K miles; Tintop with homebuilt camping interior, so sorta lightweight, 1 occupant.    Fillup cost:  600 PesosDave:  Subie 2.5 with unknown miles; full Westy, a plastic box on top, 2 occupants.    Fillup cost:  700 PesosAnother guy:  2.1 Waterboxer with probably 200K miles, Tintop, but 2 plastic kayaks on top, 1 occupant.  Fillup cost:  800 Pesos I just thought you guys might find this informative.
Rich
San Diego

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