Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 09:17:59 -0600
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: So stuff even happens to me!
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Dennis
Didn't get any of Your Orig's on this thread but did get Your reply this morn
to 'Idle Issues....' ~ Seems quite strange ~
On 4 Apr , 2020, at 8:46 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
> Hi Ken and Dennis,,
>
> I’m going to try to remember this for any future no start times as a first thing to try.
>
> This brings back a memory or two of Heidi saying to me the van isn’t starting. From the passenger seat I would move the automatic selector through the settings and firmly back to park. The van would then start.
>
> I think twice in 7 years. Maybe just not fully in park, Maybe the neutral switch.
>
>
> Good to have the reminder.
>
> Eric Caron
>
>
>> On Apr 4, 2020, at 8:36 AM, kenneth wilford (Van-Again) <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>>
>> For the Automatic Vanagon, the neutral safety switch can be touchy. I
>> can't count the times that customers call me in a panic about the fact that
>> the van won't start. Is it an automatic? If so is the starter even
>> turning at all. If not, shake the shifter from side to side while holding
>> the key in the start position. Your van just started? You are welcome.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:35 PM Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> You find that neutral safety switch on the shifter to be less than stellar?
>>>
>>> Only one I’ve worked on for a friend was, maybe someone was in there
>>> before, a bit janky.
>>>
>>> I seem to recall the white plastic brittle.
>>>
>>> Alistair
>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I checked the history on this van. It had a starter fail and was
>>> Repalced with a Bosch SR25X March 2017. Towed in June of 2017 which is when
>>> this GW starter was installed at 228K miles. Being an automatic I know that
>>> voltage drops to the solenoid can be a problem although the GW starters
>>> usually aren’t that fussy. I’ll check the switches including the neutral
>>> safety and see what I find. It just took me by surprise. I acquired this
>>> van last April, at 248K, now at 266K and 3 NY to Florida trips. This is the
>>> first glitch that just picked a bad day to tick me off!
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Alistair Bell [mailto:albell@shaw.ca]
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 8:57 PM
>>>> To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So stuff even happens to me!
>>>>
>>>> Oh i like the pigtails.
>>>>
>>>> I had the solenoid trigger were come off, on a trip. We had stopped at
>>> head of small spur which we explored by foot. Van wouldn’t start on return.
>>> Was a level spur and wife, son, and myself managed to push start. We then
>>> drove up onto another spur , high to allow rolling down hill start, to
>>> camp. Next day I managed, with long pliers etc, and cutting my knuckles, to
>>> get wire on via engine compartment.
>>>>
>>>> https://shufti.blog/2010/09/08/end-of-august-trip/
>>>>
>>>> I have re done that connection since.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis, are you going to pull starter this weekend?
>>>>
>>>> Alistair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes!
>>>> Better yet, since the solenoid connection is a failure point of its own,
>>> the GW starter features an attached pigtail with 2 connectors on it. This
>>> is for the vans where a separate wire was at the solenoid for the ECU start
>>> signal. Anyway, the wire and connector(s) can now stay in the engine
>>> compartment. Made it easy to uncover the spare and use that to jump it.
>>>>
>>>> Of course now I need to some diagnostics and a fix.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alistair Bell [mailto:albell@shaw.ca]
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 5:24 PM
>>>> To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So stuff even happens to me!
>>>>
>>>> 91 is the 2wd right. Easier to get to the solenoid , in the field, than
>>> the Syncro, right?
>>>>
>>>> Alistair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So today I drove the 91 to get groceries. Went to a store ~ 4 miles
>>> from home. Drove there no problem. Do my shopping. Get in the van, turn the
>>> key no start. No cranking at all.
>>>>
>>>> So it a bit cool rainy and nasty out. After getting my lack of patience
>>> when stuff don't work figured lets see what happened.
>>>> So at first though is battery dead! I have one of those USB sockets wit
>>> voltmeter. 12.5 volts. Turn key, warning lights on, turn key to start, dim
>>> slightly. Ried with gear shift not in park or neutral, no change, so in
>>> park the dimming tells me we are trying to energize the solenoid.
>>>>
>>>> So go in back. Who put all the groceries on top of the engine? Yea, move
>>> all the stuff. Get rid of the mattress and rug, lift the cover watch it
>>> fall, lift again and move it so it stays up. Anyway, look for anything
>>> wrong, nothing. So thinking just a case of maybe solenoid sticking or
>>> excessive voltage drop. So get tool box. Piece of wire. This is a GoWesty
>>> starter so there is an unused terminal on the solenoid harness. So make
>>> jumper and connect from terminal back of alternator to solenoid. It cranks.
>>> Go back up front, turn on ignition, go back, use jumper to start and on my
>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> Get home, try with key and its works as it should! Go figure.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Ken Wilford
>> John 3:16
>> www.vanagain.com
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