Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:26:59 -0700
Reply-To: David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
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From: David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: found some freon 12 should I recharge old AC
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All true, I guess. However, it would be unethical to add R12 to a system
with ANY leaks. R12 has been outlawed for new equipment for a good
environmental reason. And it might be that what is a "slow leak," what is
an "excessive leak"? Who knows, and who wants to make that determination?
mcneely
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:02 PM Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> Your mechanic lied to you, or at least he misquoted federal law. You are
> allowed to add Freon to a system with slow leaks, you are not allowed to
> add Freon to a system with excessive leaks. But repair the leaks and you
> are allowed to add Freon again, even R12.
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
> Of Richard Koerner
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:12 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: found some freon 12 should I recharge old AC
>
> (I tried sending this before...nothing happened...might be useful for
> someone. So am trying to send again. Will NOT be offended if of no use
> for anyone.)
>
>
> I wanted to fix my 85 Vanagon A/C after doing the Subie 2.2 conversion.
> Conversion came with a Subaru A/C compressor; my converter had to get a
> couple new lines made. Re-filled system with R-12. Excellent!....for
> about 2 months...doh. So there is this local San Diego A/C shop who knows
> Vanagons; took it to him. Using "sniffer" thing, discovered many leaks;
> most were O-rings, easily fixable and they did so. However....there was
> still one small leak coming out of Evaporator (on an 85 Tintop it's a big
> monster contraption hanging down from ceiling behind front seats). To fix
> that would be like $2000....and super brittle plastic housings. By Federal
> Law, he could not add R-12 to a system that had been determined to have
> leaks. So the decision was made....convert to R-134A.
>
> All was good for about 9 months. But, slowly weaker performance. I asked
> my guy about that Stop-Leak product available for R-134A. He said, Yes it
> might work, or help at least. Here is the Big Thing though: once you have
> that Stop-Leak stuff in your system, it opens a whole can of worms. If you
> ever need your system evacuated, it will RUIN a shop's equipment. So
> nobody will work on it, and you are on your own forevermore.
>
>
> I considered all my options....and decided to try the Stop-Leak. Worked
> very well, like magic. Still a tiny leak from somewhere. So now the
> situation is: every year around June 1 or so, I hook up my gauge set, and
> add a can or so of R-134A to the appropriate High and Low Side pressures.
> It generally lasts all summer and fall. Over winter and spring, I never
> need A/C of course. But then come June 1, I repeat the cycle.
>
>
> Not sure if the wisest approach and decision-making.....but so far so good.
> Rich
> San Diego
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