Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:02:05 -0400
Reply-To: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Free Westy middle jumpseat in SoCal?
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OK than,
That explains it.
I knew there had to be a good reason.
Eric
> On Apr 20, 2020, at 3:16 PM, ddbjorkman@verizon.net wrote:
>
> Eric, just so you know. One seat is easier to move because grey is a lighter color than brown.
>
> Dave B.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Sent: Sat, Apr 18, 2020 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: Free Westy middle jumpseat in SoCal?
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Yes, I also have the sheet metal covers. And In storage, the original Matt with brown fabric. I Use a softer thicker, lighter floor cover now.
>
> When I use the middle seat I remove the usual floor cover and I have two brown runner like carpets that fit in front of the rear and middle seat. Otherwise the original floor must serve for the short time the seat is in service.
>
> My brown seat has the same fabric differences Jeff describes. I still wonder if it came from a passenger van as it has both arm rests.
>
> I don’t have head rests and I am guessing Jeffs had them added by a PO and that also explains why they don’t match.
>
> And, man it is heavy. Yet this blind guy has several times carried the thing alone out to the van and slid it into place. Something I will endeavor to do with a helper going forward. And, I still think my grey version is a bit lighter, I’ve carried both long distances and find it easier to cary the Grey one. I must be imagining it as they look the same to me.
>
> I like the single seat as it is easier to install and leaves the cabinetry accessible.
>
> But, though I like having the original style seat I’d prefer one with a head rest and arm rests for safety and comfort.
>
> The flexibility is fun. I had a 84 Wolfsburgh a long time ago. I just remembered that I also had a middle seat for that van. I sold it around 2000 to a Vermonter and was vanless for 13 unlucky years.
>
> That was a very nice van.
>
> But, it did have the rails so it was an option in more than 1985.
>
> By the way, I purchased that van from a recommendation from a member on this list. I purchased unseen and we drove it home. It was clean and from Atlanta. My current van is almost a twin except white and has the 85 door. I’ve often missed that van. It was standard so finding a driver was trickier but It was a lovely van and purchased at 80,000 Miles.
>
> I often wonder if I’ll ever see that van again.
> Every time I am told a van is a two tone brown 84 I get a little melancholy.
>
> I’m not going to go through that again! This 85 is my forever van!
>
> Eric Caron
>
> > On Apr 18, 2020, at 1:17 PM, KIM BRENNAN <kimbrennan@MAC.COM <mailto:kimbrennan@MAC.COM>> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, yes the center seat is (effectively) the same as the front seats. Though mine does not have the headrest that the fronts do. Same set of tracks that the seat is mounted on as the front.
> >
> >> On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Steven Shelton <shelton4@GMAIL.COM <mailto:shelton4@GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I bought my 1985 Westfalia new with a center single seat. It swivels and
> >> has arm rests. The heavy steel base has a door for extra storage
> >> underneath. It's so heavy, though, that it's quite a balancing act to hold
> >> it up propped on the edge of the doorway while trying to get the base to
> >> line up in the rails and slide it in.
> >>
> >> If one of the front seats ever gets worn out, I'll see if the center seat
> >> can be made to replace it.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:20 AM Kenneth O'Connor <kenneth.oconnor@gmail.com <mailto:kenneth.oconnor@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If I lived closer, I would totally grab this for my van!
> >>>
> >>> Thank You,
> >>>
> >>> Ken
> >>> (941) 323-4710
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:41 PM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m not sure what vans had the rails but my 85 does. And, I’ve used
> >>> both the two seat and single seat on the rails for extra seating.
> >>>>
> >>>> My grey seat fits the same rails so I have to wonder if 85 is the
> >>> only year. What year did the grey interior start? Or maybe that was used
> >>> on the same rails in later passenger vans? Either way the rails must have
> >>> been there when there was a grey interior.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did read that the single swivel was very rare. I almost think just
> >>> the 85.
> >>>>
> >>>> the single seat is pretty nice as it uses the rails but has the
> >>> same swivel as the front seats. It also has a storage compartment with the
> >>> same lock as the glove box.
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m forgetting now but I almost think I purchased the base from someone
> >>> on the list, maybe Mark?
> >>>>
> >>>> The seat was given to me by a local VW friend and pack rat. It is far
> >>> from perfect but serviceable.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tips from folks on this list helped me get it in good shape.
> >>> Interestingly it has no head rest or arm rests. The collector said he
> >>> thought it was originally from a 85 swivel seat.
> >>>>
> >>>> I rarely use them in the van, but they are fun toys.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM <mailto:emaglott3@GMAIL.COM>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have a 85 full westy that had the slide in single seat on a swivel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I retrofitted the whole westy interior into a 86 westfalia "weekender"
> >>>>> Edward
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 10:42 PM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com <mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 85 seems to be the year that had the floor with the rails and covers to
> >>>>>> accept the additional seat. Shortly after I purchased Fun Bus I worked
> >>> with
> >>>>>> the dealer to order all the parts needed to add the seat and floor
> >>> parts as
> >>>>>> I needed to seat 5 at the time. VWoA caught on and stopped the order.
> >>> Never
> >>>>>> got in writing but was told that seat wasn't crash tested. My guess is
> >>> that
> >>>>>> being centered with the sliding door it was not a good place to be if
> >>>>>> t-boned on that side. I ended up with an American van seat set up that
> >>> was
> >>>>>> used for many years. Now I have a rear facing set up like used on the
> >>> later
> >>>>>> carats. I like that set up better as it leaves the space in the center
> >>> of
> >>>>>> the van open and is very easy to folds up out of the way or remove.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dennis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com <mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>>>>> Of David McNeely
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 10:22 PM
> >>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Free Westy middle jumpseat in SoCal?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Eric, so far as I know, no Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile ("Westy,"
> >>> or
> >>>>>> "Full Camper" as many call it) came with a jump seat. There are no
> >>> rails
> >>>>>> to accommodate one in mine, for sure, and the owner's manual doesn't
> >>>>>> mention it. There is a one passenger jump seat that came in some other
> >>>>>> versions that some folks fit to the Campmobile. I have one of those,
> >>> and
> >>>>>> it works really well if you install it properly. However, I suspect it
> >>>>>> would not meet current safety laws even installed properly, though it
> >>> does
> >>>>>> have a shoulder belt -- that attaches to the same mounts as the front
> >>>>>> passenger belt.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> mcneely
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Mark and others,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It seems that if you are patient these seats still show up.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have been given a brown one in lovely condition that matches
> >>>>>>> my 85. I also have a grey one. I only use them in the van about
> >>> once a
> >>>>>> year.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I use them as small couches the rest of the year.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Still, if someone with a grey van needs a middle seat I’ll give it to
> >>>>>>> them. I actually use the grey one in my van more as it feels a bit
> >>>>>>> lighter, so easier to install. I’m probably imagining it but maybe
> >>>>>>> they lightened it somehow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Both my middle seats have two arm rests. I suspect this means they
> >>>>>>> were originally in passenger vans. But they slide in on the rails.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I’ve learned to remove one arm rest by the driver’s side to get a
> >>>>>>> perfect fit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is the actual Westie jump seat different? Mine is a two seater.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I also have the single seat option. That usually sits on a rocking
> >>>>>>> chair base I made for it. But it is ready to pop into the van if
> >>> needed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Eric Caron
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2020, at 8:08 PM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@COX.NET <mailto:madvws@COX.NET>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>> nd%2F7109900405.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb27a680fb45417ed0f808d7e33
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
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