Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 16:00:06 -0600
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Questions about brake bleeding
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The Clutch Hydraulics would not be In Play in the Brake Hydraulics Bleed
necessities ~ But >> If Your Intention is to get Old Fluid Out of the Brake/Clutch
Hydraulic Network, Then You Will Want To Vac' & Let New Fluid be Drawn into the
Clutch Line As Well ~ I would think that that could be done After or Before B'B' ~
On 9 May , 2020, at 2:32 PM, Thomas Casal wrote:
> I’m pretty sure the clutch doesn’t affect the bleed sequence from what I’ve
> read on the samba and here. You may want to wait for Dennis or one of the
> other masters to chime in but from my understanding that’s the sequence and
> if you want to bleed the clutch you can do it after.
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:11 PM Ryan Cresawn <jrcresawn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, but with a manual transmission shouldn't the clutch slave cylinder
>> also be flushed as part of this sequence? Pages 47.8 and 47.8a of the
>> Bentley service manual document the bleed sequence the same as you have,
>> but the clutch slave cylinder is not listed. Mine is a 1991 Vanagon with
>> the original 2.1-liter engine and 4-speed manual transmission, if that
>> matters.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 11:40 AM Thomas Casal <thomas.casal@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sequence is farthest to closest to the master. So right rear left rear
>>> right front left front.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:45 PM Ryan Cresawn <jrcresawn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will be bleeding my brakes soon and I would like to know what the
>>>> correct bleed order is with a manual transmission. I could not find
>>>> instructions in the Bentley.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ryan
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 9:22 AM Thomas Casal <thomas.casal@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I finally got a new g60 caliper the bleeder screw and inlet are in
>>>>> different places but that’s not my problem although I thought I
>>>>> installed
>>>>> the caliper incorrectly for a second. I bled the system with the motive
>>>>> bleeder. Looked like I got all the bubbles out let it drain for a while
>>>>> after I stopped seeing bubbles but I have no pedal pressure when the
>>>>> van is
>>>>> running. however I do have pedal pressure when it’s not. I thought I
>>>>> just
>>>>> had to bleed it again maybe some air still trapped in the system but the
>>>>> fact I have pedal pressure when it’s not running and none when it is is
>>>>> making me think I have a different issue. Anyone have any idea? Is that
>>>>> what that little sensor on the master cylinder does?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:44 PM Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks a lot for clarifying that Stuart. The "rest of the class"
>>>>>> likely understood what you meant but since I use a home brew pressure
>>>>>> bleeder, was curious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to get a PSI value on this as well. I'm careful of how much
>>>>>> pressure I use but over the years, may've been using too much. The
>>>>>> plastic on my '81 fluid reservoir is old !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/5/20, stuartmacm@gmail.com <stuartmacm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you release the pressure in the Motive tank the air at the
>>>>> top of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> pressurized master cylinder reservoir will be forced back down the
>>>>> hose
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> bubble out of the tube that goes into the fluid. That's what I
>>>>> meant.
>>>>>>> Pinching off the hose will prevent this, or just don't open the
>>>>> Motive
>>>>>>> tank until bleeding is done, which means having a good amount of
>>>>> fluid in
>>>>>>> the tank when you start. It's a great product and I've used it
>>>>> many
>>>>>> times
>>>>>>> on all my vehicles. I also use it to pressurize the Vanagon cooling
>>>>>> system
>>>>>>> for leak testing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:49 AM
>>>>>>> To: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions about brake bleeding
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Stuart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/11/17, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .... If you have to add more when you crack the cap you'll bubble
>>>>> air
>>>>>>>> into the fluid remaining and will need to wait several hours or
>>>>> toss it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with the Motive pressure bleeder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Neil n
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VE7TBN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1988 Westy 50º ABA swap: https://tinyurl.com/yap5hpwt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1981 Westy 15º ABA swap: https://tinyurl.com/y9n4xob8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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