Date:         Thu, 21 May 2020 08:20:41 -0500
Reply-To:     Abel Longoria <houstonphotog@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Abel Longoria <houstonphotog@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Heads-Up - Potential Odometer Fraud
Comments: To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net>
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Altering the mileage to deceive. Yes is illegal.

But if the 30yr old speedo cable goes out or the speedo gears wear and it
does not keep track of mileage anymore. Well I see that differently.

If the van is in great shape. Pristine interior. New motor install. Well
maintained. Etx. I'm not going to worry if the odometer is broke. I'll just
add that to my list of things I'll need to address.

It's a chance you take yes. Some are willing some are not.

I myself would and have done so with the purchase of my own van.

Just depends on how bad someone wants that particular van.

On Thu, May 21, 2020, 8:10 AM Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:

> This is only partly true. It's perfectly legal to mark Exempt on any
> vehicle
> 10 years or older.
>
>
> https://www.theconsumerlawgroup.com/blog/older-cars-are-exempt-from-odometer
> -disclosure-laws.cfm
> <https://www.theconsumerlawgroup.com/blog/older-cars-are-exempt-from-odometer-disclosure-laws.cfm>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of
> Bill Glenn
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:03 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Heads-Up - Potential Odometer Fraud
>
> Some of the comments suggest that odometer readings are not important, and
> that one should rely more on the condition of the vehicle. While condition
> matters, the odometer reading must be accurately represented, both on the
> vehicle odometer and on the title when transferring the vehicle, or include
> a statement that the true mileage is unknown due to a stated reason.
> Altering the mileage reading on a motor vehicle is a felony under federal
> law and most state laws. Altering the mileage reading on the title, which
> is
> a security instrument under law, is securities fraud. If a fraudulent title
> has passed through the mail, it's mail fraud.  Odometer fraud has been
> characterized as perhaps the largest consumer fraud in America, so it
> follows that odometer readings are, in fact, important.
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