Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 07:03:30 -0700
Reply-To: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Logging roads and trailers
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thank you - in BC it is very different
Logging roads are owned by logging companies and unless
specifically leading to a Forestry Camp Ground - Haul traffic may exist
anytime
Thanks for the clarification
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:10 AM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Roger, First, as I said, make inquiries before traveling. Whether logging
> is occurring at a given time on a given road is well known to local FS
> offices.
>
> Second, terminology used by many is not necessarily terminology used
> officially. The USFS has a network of numbered roads for access. Many go
> to developed camping sites, or to recognized dispersed camping sites, are
> "permanent," and are mapped by such as DeLormes and others. Many people
> refer to these as "logging roads," though they are not specifically for
> logging, but are intended for maintenance access by FS personnel,
> recreational access, and general traveling across the National Forest.
> Typically, the surface is gravel or the native surface of the local
> terrain. They may be narrow, not suitable for large haul trucks even.
> Some are in much better condition than others, easily driven by 2wd, while
> some are better suited to 4wd and FS maps usually so indicate but
> commercially available maps do not necessarily.
>
> Other roads built by the USFS are specifically "logging roads," are not
> permanent, but rather are built for logging access. They may have rather
> large stones as paving, and are not really easily traversed by ordinary
> vehicles.
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Would be Logging Road Traveler
>>
>> I spent a number of years as safety manager for a builder of logging roads
>> -
>> On a logging road - ANY TIME IS LOADED LOGGING TRUCK TIME -
>>
>> There are some who view these roads as free for all to use any time they
>> want -
>> This is not the case -
>> Question # one - are your tires rated for stones and extra rough road -
>> are
>> all your joints and steering components greased -
>> Question # two if you have a failure of any of items can you get off road
>> on your own power - so as not to block road -
>> Question # three Who is your travel plan filed with - does cell phone work
>> there or do you have a HOT SPOT with text capability -
>> Question # Four - You know that AAA or CAA will not come and fetch you -
>>
>> A> In Canada very often the logging road will lead to - or cross an Indian
>> Reservation and that First Nation may have jurisdictional sway over
>> traffic
>> flow and permissions to travel
>> B> Nearly every logging road has a sign at the place where the Logging
>> Road
>> intersects highway - that sign will delineate behaviors to be followed on
>> the road - during active haul times -
>> ACTIVE HAUL TIMES ARE ANYTIME - even if the sign offers typical times -
>> you
>> could meet a truck coming 'DOWN LOADED' at any time - Lets say the logging
>> roads active hours are 3 am to 3 pm monday to saturday - you arrive at
>> road
>> side at 5 pm saturday evening -
>> 1. DO YOU have a radio that can be tuned to frequency used by haulers on
>> that road?
>> 2. DO YOU know for sure that every truck up Empty has Come down loaded ?
>> 3. Do you have any way to announce your intention to travel up ?
>> 4. Are Loaded Trucks your only concern ?
>> 5. Do you know that the mechanics and service trucks have all booked off
>> for the night and are safely off road ?
>> 6. DO you know what a turn out on the road is for ?
>> 7. DO YOU know if logger's ambulance is not heading out with injured
>> workers - they typically DO NOT have sirens -
>>
>> THERE ARE SEVERAL SECTIONS Around here that are deemed LEFT HAND UP - LEFT
>> HAND DOWN - does driver understand fully the consequence of not being on
>> the proper side of the road??
>> Then there is the idea of your own trailer -
>> 1. If you have a trailer breakdown along the way does your vehicle have
>> the
>> ability to pull trailer off the road ?
>> 2. if you are caught in a jackpot - not even your own jackpot - lets say a
>> logging truck has left the road and you are held up from your desired
>> camping spot while they extricate the upset truck - which may involve
>> getting a load of heavy equipment (or two) past your rig - can you get
>> your
>> rig sufficiently off the road -- DO YOU KNOW HOW TO BACK UP YOUR RIG ?? DO
>> YOU KNOW HOW TO BACK UP YOUR RIG IN THE DARK ? CAN YOU DO A THREE POINT
>> REVERSE TURN WITH YOUR RIG ?? -- IF YOU ANSWER no TO ANY OF THESE - you
>> should not be on Logging road with a rig -- and preferably you should be
>> able to answer yes to all three questions - If you are answering no to any
>> of these three questions you need to practice - Not a Joke !!
>>
>> More over if you are held up are you or your guests going to be idiots
>> demanding that road be cleared to let you get on your way - (real world
>> events - that happened to me ) more than once - and once during active
>> blasting - had to get local law enforcement involved in that one -
>> Along with that police or first responders may not have a clue where you
>> are or how to get to you if you require rescue (do you have a GPS device )
>> NOT A phone but a dedicated GPS -
>>
>> Second to that - what do you do when you reach a rope across road that has
>> a sign remarking about active falling - or active blasting -
>> DO YOU take rope down and continue because the sign is only to inform
>> loggers and you are not a logger ???
>> DO YOU Take rope down and leave it on the ground because it is after 3 PM
>> on a Friday - the loggers can put it back when they come to work ?
>> Do you know what blaster signals mean ?? do you know how close to the back
>> of a logging truck you can travel to be outside the swing zone ?
>>
>> Sometimes two or three loaded trucks will head down and only the first one
>> will call miles on the way down - the first one goes by and the haplass
>> traveler pulls back onto road only to meet truck #2 head on - and yes this
>> is a real world event that happened -
>>
>> One afternoon i was heading down - part way down i had that huge urge of
>> nature calling right now - in only the way a rough and bouncy logging road
>> can produce in the late afternoon -
>> I stopped my pick up - I had not heard a call out on the radio -- but a
>> little voice in my head told me to pull as far to the left as possible -
>> so
>> before exiting truck i did that - pulled my pick up off into a turn out -
>> and let nature call - just as I was finishing that 'streaming episode' a
>> loaded truck down roared past my location - I had no idea they were there
>> -
>> -
>>
>> on another occasion I was coming down and met a camper on way up - truck
>> with camper and loaded with family kids and all - I let them know there
>> was
>> both active falling and active blasting on going that day - they told me
>> not to mind about them as they were going up early to get a good spot - --
>> They had no radio =--- with out telling them i radioed up to road channel
>> that this ship of sillies was on the way into an active work area --
>>
>> Use abundant caution my friends when on logging roads - they are called
>> logging roads due to the reason for creation - they are not called lets go
>> camping roads
>>
>> AND I HAVE not even addressed the multitude of walkers - people on bikes -
>> people on horses - or joe racing becky on ATV to see who gets to lake
>> first
>> -
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:00 AM Harry Hoffman <hhoffman@ip-solutions.net
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and helpful guidance!
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Harry
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:52 AM Harry Hoffman <
>> hhoffman@ip-solutions.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Volks,
>> > >
>> > > I know several of you travel the logging roads for camping/exploring.
>> > > Having just done this last week, for my first time, I was wondering if
>> > > anyone has brought trailers along? The roads are really rough so I
>> > > wasn't sure how well a trailer would handle the roads.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Harry
>> >
>>
>>
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