Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:03:07 -0700
Reply-To: David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
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From: David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Logging Roads and Trailers
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Hmmm .... . Along the line of the salmon lashed to one's back: Quite a
few years ago, my wife and I were hiking in Denali National Park. We had
stopped by a creek for lunch, pulled out the peanut butter, a staple for us
whenever backpacking, as it is tasty, and high calorie therefore compact
and relatively lightweight for the energy offered. As we were eating the
peanut butter and dried fruit, we perused the guidebook again. Right
there, in print, was a listing of foods not recommended as they attract
bears, peanut butter prominent among them. Sure enough, on the other side
of the creek, probably 300-400 hundred yards away, a grizzly had its nose
in the air. Luckily, it was diverted by the other bear that appeared on a
ridge, and that did not appear to have noticed our presence or odor. The
first moved quickly away, and the 2nd did not appear inclined to come our
direction. However, we repacked our supplies quickly in triple bags as
before, and made our way in the direction we had been headed, out to the
road. No bears followed. We were prepared to violate park rules and
abandon our peanut butter if need be, figuring any bear would be more
interested in the pb than in us. Survival is the first rule of wilderness
travel. We no longer take pb on hikes in bear country, though we do in
other settings, and when camping in the van.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:43 AM OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
> AB
>
> That then sounds as if My Assumption is pretty much correct ~
>
> @ Least for some among Us in most instances ~
>
> There does seem to be Logging happening here in NM, as I have
>
> occasionally seen Loaded Log Trucks on Hiways coming out of the Mountains,
>
> but I have no idea where it is being done ~ I have never encountered a
>
> Log Truck on a Back Road nor have I ever seen any Signage of Active
>
> Logging > It's a Puzzler ~
>
> Also > Even though I do try to avoid Assumptions, they do seem
>
> to get a Bad Rap > We do them pretty much constantly, ie It Is Safe To
>
> Assume that going for a hike in a Forest Fire or a Swim in Shark or Piranha
>
> or Man O War Infested Waters or hiking in Grizzly country with a fresh
> Salmon
>
> lashed to Your BackPack & I almost forgot, Going Vanagon Camping,
> especially
>
> With Trailer, via a narrow road in an Active Logging Area, Could End Up
> having
>
> a Less Than Desirable Outcome ~
>
> ORR ~ DeanB
>
> On 22 Jul , 2020, at 9:15 AM, Alistair Bell wrote:
>
> > Well that’s the problem with assumptions.
> >
> > Here on the island there are towns, communities, that can only be
> reached by logging roads.
> >
> > Dirt, gravel, roads that are used by logging trucks and associated
> equipment. And also used by locals travelling to and from communities.
> >
> > The logging dynamic here on the island has changed over the last 50
> years. Smaller crews on the whole. Smaller cut blocks.
> >
> > Active logging areas are well marked, often gated or cable strung across
> road. The logging on the most part is carried out from the smaller spurs,
> not the main roads. But the trucks take their loads on the main roads.
> >
> > Weekends quieter, as is the heigh of summer when most times logging is
> suspended due to fire risk.
> >
> > Sometimes , some roads have gate locked even if no active logging. Fire
> risk. Sometimes gates closed to reduce access to equipment on the weekends.
> >
> > I understand the mailing list is very US centric, but there are other
> areas of the world where vans travel under different conditions :-)
> >
> > Alistair
> >
> >> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:21 PM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I find this all very interesting as I Have Always Assumed that
> when someone mentions
> >>
> >> Logging Road they are referring to a more or less abandoned road that
> was once upon a time
> >>
> >> long ago created & used by a Logging Co for Logging ~ Had no idea that
> anyone might think
> >>
> >> of venturing onto a Logging Rd that was actually being used for Logging
> ~ That would seem
> >>
> >> to Me to be Right Up There With Hiking Into A Forest Fire ~
> >>
> >> ORR ~ DeanB
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 21 Jul , 2020, at 8:05 PM, Douglas Toomey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Want to add my two cents to an interesting convo. We send crew into
> rural Oregon to service seismic and fire camera sites routinely. We
> require that we all know the rules, which are:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> * have a cb radio
> >>> * call out your location at mile markers; look for them, if it is
> active logging, they are marked
> >>> * when calling out, describe vehicle and location by the mile
> >>> * drive exceedingly defensively
> >>> * downhill trucks obviously are going to take the right of way, and
> as far as we are concerned, they get it uphill too
> >>>
> >>> When it comes to adventuring in the van, I am keenly aware of logging
> and avoid active routes at all costs. Be careful out there!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:41 AM, David Boan <dboan@OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:
> dboan@OUTLOOK.COM>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just to add a final point to the conversation, if there is a logging
> road setup specifically for logging, and the logging operation is active, I
> stay off that road. I have had experience mixing with logging trucks in the
> Northwest and prefer to avoid that experience in the future.
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com<mailto:
> rogerwhitt1@gmail.com>>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:01 AM
> >>> To: David Boan <dboan@outlook.com<mailto:dboan@outlook.com>>
> >>> Cc: Vanagon <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:
> vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>>
> >>> Subject: Re: Logging Roads and Trailers
> >>>
> >>> USFSR may have different rules than Canada - and maybe even British
> Columbia is an outlier with Logging road regs and ownership -
> >>> Thanks David for the emphasis on USFSR -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:08 PM David Boan <dboan@outlook.com<mailto:
> dboan@outlook.com><mailto:dboan@outlook.com>> wrote:
> >>> When I read the original request for comments I took "logging roads"
> as a term some people use for forest service roads in the US. Originally
> created to facilitate logging access, these roads (380,00 miles of them)
> are used by both logging trucks and recreational vehicles. USDA data
> reports that there are 1.7 million recreational vehicles on these roads
> daily, compared to 15,000 logging trucks. There are local exceptions for
> use, including road closures for various reasons, so users do need to watch
> postings and beware of their setting. That said, these are public roads
> and recreational users should never be discouraged from using them.
> >>>
> >>> You may also be interested in the maps and a great app that is
> available describing all USFS roads, their conditions and advisories on
> use. Be informed, be prepared, and enjoy yourself. See fs.usda.gov<
> http://fs.usda.gov><
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> >
> >>>
> >>> Dave B
> >>> Boise
> >>>
> >>>
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