Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:15:30 -0700
Reply-To:     Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
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From:         Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
Subject:      Re: Logging Roads and Trailers
Comments: To: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net>
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Well that’s the problem with assumptions.

Here on the island there are towns, communities, that can only be reached by logging roads.

Dirt, gravel, roads that are used by logging trucks and associated equipment. And also used by locals travelling to and from communities.

The logging dynamic here on the island has changed over the last 50 years. Smaller crews on the whole. Smaller cut blocks.

Active logging areas are well marked, often gated or cable strung across road. The logging on the most part is carried out from the smaller spurs, not the main roads. But the trucks take their loads on the main roads.

Weekends quieter, as is the heigh of summer when most times logging is suspended due to fire risk.

Sometimes , some roads have gate locked even if no active logging. Fire risk. Sometimes gates closed to reduce access to equipment on the weekends.

I understand the mailing list is very US centric, but there are other areas of the world where vans travel under different conditions :-)

Alistair 

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 9:21 PM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>         I find this all very interesting as I Have Always Assumed that when someone mentions
> 
> Logging Road they are referring to a more or less abandoned road that was once upon a time
> 
> long ago created & used by a Logging Co for Logging ~ Had no idea that anyone might think
> 
> of venturing onto a Logging Rd that was actually being used for Logging ~ That would seem
> 
> to Me to be Right Up There With Hiking Into A Forest Fire ~
> 
>                                                        ORR ~ DeanB
> 
> 
>> On 21 Jul , 2020, at 8:05 PM, Douglas Toomey wrote:
>> 
>> Want to add my two cents to an interesting convo.  We send crew into rural Oregon to service seismic and fire camera sites routinely.  We require that we all know the rules, which are:
>> 
>> 
>> *   have a cb radio
>> *   call out your location at mile markers; look for them, if it is active logging, they are marked
>>    *   when calling out, describe vehicle and location by the mile
>> *   drive exceedingly defensively
>> *   downhill trucks obviously are going to take the right of way, and as far as we are concerned, they get it uphill too
>> 
>> When it comes to adventuring in the van, I am keenly aware of logging and avoid active routes at all costs.  Be careful out there!
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:41 AM, David Boan <dboan@OUTLOOK.COM<mailto:dboan@OUTLOOK.COM>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just to add a final point to the conversation, if there is a logging road setup specifically for logging, and the logging operation is active, I stay off that road. I have had experience mixing with logging trucks in the Northwest and prefer to avoid that experience in the future.
>> ________________________________
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>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:01 AM
>> To: David Boan <dboan@outlook.com<mailto:dboan@outlook.com>>
>> Cc: Vanagon <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>>

>> Subject: Re: Logging Roads and Trailers
>> 
>> USFSR may have different rules than Canada - and maybe even British Columbia  is an outlier with Logging road regs and ownership -
>> Thanks David for the emphasis on USFSR -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:08 PM David Boan <dboan@outlook.com<mailto:dboan@outlook.com><mailto:dboan@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> When I read the original request for comments I took "logging roads" as a term some people use for forest service roads in the US.  Originally created to facilitate logging access, these roads (380,00 miles of them) are used by both logging trucks and recreational vehicles.  USDA data reports that there are 1.7 million recreational vehicles on these roads daily, compared to 15,000 logging trucks.  There are local exceptions for use, including road closures for various reasons, so users do need to watch postings and beware of their setting.  That said, these are public roads and recreational users should never be discouraged from using them.
>> 
>> You may also be interested in the maps and a great app that is available describing all USFS roads, their conditions and advisories on use.  Be informed, be prepared, and enjoy yourself.  See fs.usda.gov<http://fs.usda.gov><https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://fs.usda.gov__;!!C5qS4YX3!VU1REZsoN-j0dkHNnIe-90BP3usqIuLVO4sPbVG53FiU9M674drnJHn_Y4snxg$ >
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