Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:10:38 -0600
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: closing slider quietly
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This is the stuff I like to use ~ No Need to cover all surfaces, just any area that is Flat >
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Peel-Seal-Instant-Waterproof-Repairs-6-in-x-25-ft-Aluminum-Roll-Flashing/1018733
Is truly amazing how much nicer the Front Door Closings Sound ~
On 13 Aug , 2020, at 12:11 PM, Kenneth O'Connor wrote:
> Regarding the FatMat, any risk of it holding moisture / enabling rust?
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:02 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes,
>> Some fat mat in my slider made a big difference in sound. It is
>> still a door shutting but more of a quiet thunk and not a tin bell.
>>
>> Eric Caron
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Smith (Smirby) <smirby@GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think all of us would benefit from a form of sound deadener in the
>> doors. It is my understanding that the last couple of years (90/91?) had
>> insulation in the sliding door that helped in this regard.
>>>
>>> I’ve never opened my door panel on my ’87 but if the clips keep breaking
>> off I will have it off soon enough (two of the clips are now self-tapping
>> screws with washers on them…). When that happens I will look into putting
>> something in there - maybe peel’n’stick left over from my house roof…
>>>
>>> Biggest difference for me is keeping the lower track free of grains of
>> sand/gravel - that takes the “grumble” away (and presumably ensures the
>> bearings last a bit longer).
>>>
>>> With my ’85, I did a major cleaning and found that the middle track had
>> some rust/pitting and I was able to clean that up with sandpaper and smooth
>> out the rumble a bit.
>>>
>>> …r
>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 10:46 AM, steve meassick <stevem@TDHVAC.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I installed this kit a number of years ago. It did make the rolling
>> quitter, but by no means silent. Also, you still had pretty much the same
>> noise as the door pivoted in during the final closing phase. The noise at
>> this time is not due to rolling.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List On Behalf Of Kenneth O'Connor
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 12:43 PM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: closing slider quietly
>>>>
>>>> I think this is the kit you mentioned:
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://total-bus-bekloppt.de/produkt/vw-bus-t3-schiebetuer-lagersatz-auch-ab-8-84-92-mach-deine-schiebetuer-leise/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, that seems spricey to me!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:24 AM Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In Germany, there is a vendor that sells a roller bearing kit for
>>>>> newer
>>>>> (85+) doors, the rollers´ surface is made completely out of
>>>>> teflon/nylon/rubber(?)
>>>>> I have those in my glovebox, not yet installed. But from what I heard
>>>>> (rumors and personal experience on sliders equipped with them),
>>>>> they´re really quiet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Picture:
>>>>> http://www.v6bus.de/rollers.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Raimund
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 13.08.2020 um 18:20 schrieb David McNeely:
>>>>>> First, thanks Alistair for clarifying the confusion that has been
>>>>>> bandied about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, the important part: Many later model campers DO have hard
>>>>>> closing sliding doors, with attendant noise. I now know some of the
>>>>>> fixes for that, regarding new and remodeled parts, plus proper
>>>>>> lubrication. Some even use a special tape on the door roller track
>>>>>> to help silence that. I believe you are one of those. BUT, being a
>>>>>> fabricator, do you think a handle could be fitted to the rear of the
>>>>>> door interior? If so, how
>>>>> would
>>>>>> you suggest one do so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks so much for all the good ideas you have put on here over the
>>>>> years,
>>>>>> even thanks for those I have not used (most of them, lacking
>>>>>> technical skills like yours).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mcneely
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:22 AM Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Raimund,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 82 diesel Westy, North American model, had the rear handle on
>>>>>>> the sliding door. Mounted, as mentioned on a square boss that was
>>>>>>> welded to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> door structure. When I got the van the handle was oriented
>>>>>>> vertically,
>>>>> ie
>>>>>>> hanging down. Took me a few years to realize it could be re
>>>>>>> installed on the boss so it lay horizontally. Made grabbing it a
>>>>>>> tad easier. And
>>>>> yes, it
>>>>>>> was the spring loaded handle same as at the front off the door.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 86 Syncro , again North American model. Does not have the rear
>>>>>>> handle nor the mounting boss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it’s safe to say the rear handle was dropped when the door
>>>>> design
>>>>>>> was changed in 85.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Post 85 doors in good working order close so much easier than the
>>>>>>> older doors that the additional pull using a rear handle ain’t
>>>>>>> needed when you are trying to do that soft slow close :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alistair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Part number front/rear handle is probably identical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Makes sense.
>>>>>>>> I have a 85+ sliding door, and am pretty sure it does not have
>>>>>>>> that square mounting stud in the rear.
>>>>>>>> The square stud still has to be the same as the square one on the
>>>>>>>> front release mechanism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never had the chance to check out a pre-85 door though...which
>>>>>>>> probably has the rear stud welded to it post-factory, because I
>>>>>>>> know there is no "bump" underneath the usual doortrim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Raimund
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.2020 um 21:53 schrieb vw_van_fan_Mark:
>>>>>>>>> inside sliding door handle VW # 253 843 642 sold used Ebay etc,
>>>>>>>>> new replicas? from GoWesty
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.gowesty.com/product/handles-trim/2286/inside-sliding-door-
>>>>> handle-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think many 80-84 Campers had the second one at the back.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Raimund Feussner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, if it´s unique, it should have its own part number.
>>>>>>>>>> If it´s used anywhere else, we could do a parts search with its
>>>>> number.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The later style front slider door handle is this:
>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UYEAAOSwbNZc4WzX/s-l640.jpg
>>>>>>>>>> Looks very similar, from Jim´s photo I looked at...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ready to learn something new. Can someone check the discussed
>>>>> handle´s
>>>>>>>>>> P/N ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could be from an LT as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Raimund
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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