Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:07:56 -0700
Reply-To: Dan N <dn92610@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Dan N <dn92610@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: closing slider quietly
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Yes, Fat Mat and insulation wool in the cavity of the sliding help a lot...
I also put Fat Mat on the inside of the rear rail cover and helped to bring
down some noise too... that cover acts like a resonance of a large empty
metal can.
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:02 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes,
> Some fat mat in my slider made a big difference in sound. It is
> still a door shutting but more of a quiet thunk and not a tin bell.
>
> Eric Caron
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Smith (Smirby) <smirby@GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think all of us would benefit from a form of sound deadener in the
> doors. It is my understanding that the last couple of years (90/91?) had
> insulation in the sliding door that helped in this regard.
> >
> > I’ve never opened my door panel on my ’87 but if the clips keep breaking
> off I will have it off soon enough (two of the clips are now self-tapping
> screws with washers on them…). When that happens I will look into putting
> something in there - maybe peel’n’stick left over from my house roof…
> >
> > Biggest difference for me is keeping the lower track free of grains of
> sand/gravel - that takes the “grumble” away (and presumably ensures the
> bearings last a bit longer).
> >
> > With my ’85, I did a major cleaning and found that the middle track had
> some rust/pitting and I was able to clean that up with sandpaper and smooth
> out the rumble a bit.
> >
> > …r
> >
> >> On Aug 13, 2020, at 10:46 AM, steve meassick <stevem@TDHVAC.COM> wrote:
> >>
> >> I installed this kit a number of years ago. It did make the rolling
> quitter, but by no means silent. Also, you still had pretty much the same
> noise as the door pivoted in during the final closing phase. The noise at
> this time is not due to rolling.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List On Behalf Of Kenneth O'Connor
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 12:43 PM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Re: closing slider quietly
> >>
> >> I think this is the kit you mentioned:
> >>
> >>
> https://total-bus-bekloppt.de/produkt/vw-bus-t3-schiebetuer-lagersatz-auch-ab-8-84-92-mach-deine-schiebetuer-leise/
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow, that seems spricey to me!
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:24 AM Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In Germany, there is a vendor that sells a roller bearing kit for
> >>> newer
> >>> (85+) doors, the rollers´ surface is made completely out of
> >>> teflon/nylon/rubber(?)
> >>> I have those in my glovebox, not yet installed. But from what I heard
> >>> (rumors and personal experience on sliders equipped with them),
> >>> they´re really quiet.
> >>>
> >>> Picture:
> >>> http://www.v6bus.de/rollers.jpg
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Raimund
> >>>
> >>> Am 13.08.2020 um 18:20 schrieb David McNeely:
> >>>> First, thanks Alistair for clarifying the confusion that has been
> >>>> bandied about.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, the important part: Many later model campers DO have hard
> >>>> closing sliding doors, with attendant noise. I now know some of the
> >>>> fixes for that, regarding new and remodeled parts, plus proper
> >>>> lubrication. Some even use a special tape on the door roller track
> >>>> to help silence that. I believe you are one of those. BUT, being a
> >>>> fabricator, do you think a handle could be fitted to the rear of the
> >>>> door interior? If so, how
> >>> would
> >>>> you suggest one do so?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks so much for all the good ideas you have put on here over the
> >>> years,
> >>>> even thanks for those I have not used (most of them, lacking
> >>>> technical skills like yours).
> >>>>
> >>>> mcneely
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:22 AM Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Raimund,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My 82 diesel Westy, North American model, had the rear handle on
> >>>>> the sliding door. Mounted, as mentioned on a square boss that was
> >>>>> welded to
> >>> the
> >>>>> door structure. When I got the van the handle was oriented
> >>>>> vertically,
> >>> ie
> >>>>> hanging down. Took me a few years to realize it could be re
> >>>>> installed on the boss so it lay horizontally. Made grabbing it a
> >>>>> tad easier. And
> >>> yes, it
> >>>>> was the spring loaded handle same as at the front off the door.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My 86 Syncro , again North American model. Does not have the rear
> >>>>> handle nor the mounting boss.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it’s safe to say the rear handle was dropped when the door
> >>> design
> >>>>> was changed in 85.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Post 85 doors in good working order close so much easier than the
> >>>>> older doors that the additional pull using a rear handle ain’t
> >>>>> needed when you are trying to do that soft slow close :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alistair
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Part number front/rear handle is probably identical.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Makes sense.
> >>>>>> I have a 85+ sliding door, and am pretty sure it does not have
> >>>>>> that square mounting stud in the rear.
> >>>>>> The square stud still has to be the same as the square one on the
> >>>>>> front release mechanism.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Never had the chance to check out a pre-85 door though...which
> >>>>>> probably has the rear stud welded to it post-factory, because I
> >>>>>> know there is no "bump" underneath the usual doortrim.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Raimund
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am 12.08.2020 um 21:53 schrieb vw_van_fan_Mark:
> >>>>>>> inside sliding door handle VW # 253 843 642 sold used Ebay etc,
> >>>>>>> new replicas? from GoWesty
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> https://www.gowesty.com/product/handles-trim/2286/inside-sliding-door-
> >>> handle-
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think many 80-84 Campers had the second one at the back.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Raimund Feussner wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hmmm, if it´s unique, it should have its own part number.
> >>>>>>>> If it´s used anywhere else, we could do a parts search with its
> >>> number.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The later style front slider door handle is this:
> >>>>>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UYEAAOSwbNZc4WzX/s-l640.jpg
> >>>>>>>> Looks very similar, from Jim´s photo I looked at...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ready to learn something new. Can someone check the discussed
> >>> handle´s
> >>>>>>>> P/N ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Could be from an LT as well.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>> Raimund
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
>
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